Black Balance Testing (Frozenstorm v zhavier)

FrozenStorm · November 29, 2018, 1:07pm

Jav would still die to tower, rune or not. Is that still what ya wanna do?

zhavier · November 29, 2018, 1:10pm

Oh right, I’ll just discard him then.

FrozenStorm · November 29, 2018, 3:02pm

Game 5, Player 1, Turn 11

Starting Hand

Sparring Partner
Martial Mastery
Morningstar Flagbearer
Entangling Vines (Discarded to SB, woof)
Aged Sensei (discarded for MM)
Sparring Partner + Bird’s Nest (MM)

Events of Turn:

Upkeep:

Get Gold (10+1float+1scav)
No Techs

All Teched Cards

Fuzz Cuddles, Sparring Partner
Porcupine, Martial Mastery
Entangling Vines, Rambasa Twin
Glorious Ninja, Fox’s Den School
Porcupine, Fox’s Den School
Bird’s Nest, Glorious Ninja
Reversal, Sparring Partner

Main:

Grave (10)
Martial Mastery, dc 1 draw 2, check out what you workin’ with. No bluff, there’s Zarra, gotta kill tower (9)
Rook (7)
Bird’s Nest (5)
Sparring Partner (4)
Sparring Partner (3)
Make tweetie bird and invisible ninjalino (1)
Porcupine takes down Voidblocker, uses up tower spotting, takes 3 damage, exhaust Tweetie for the privilege
Glorious Ninja stealthily takes down the tower, and with it any targeting possibility for my stealthy crew

Workers

Savior Monk, Safe Attacking, Grappling Hook, Fox Primus, Fox Viper

Patrol as below
Discard 1 Draw 3
Tech 2 cards before my next turn

Board Info:

Buildings:

Base HP: 20
Tech1 HP: 5
Tech2 HP: 5 NINJUTSU
Tower HP: 4

In Patrol:

Squad Leader: Rook (2/4+1armor lvl 1)
Elite:
Scavenger: Grave (2/3 lvl 1)
Technician:
Lookout: Big Bird (1/1)

In Play:

Glorious Ninja (4/2 invisible)
Porcupine (2/2 invisible)
Tweetie Bird (1/1 invisible)
Sparring Partner (2/2)
Sparring Partner (2/2)
Fox’s Den School (4hp, invisible)

Economy Info:

Cards:

Hand: 3
Deck: 3
Disc: 5

Gold:

Gold: 1
Workers: 10

End of Turn Hand

Fox's Den School
Sensei's Advice
Porcupine

End of Turn Discard

Entangling Vines
Aged Sensei
Martial Mastery
Rambasa Twin
Morningstar Flagbearer

My Thoughts

Well, him hitting vines sucks, but my Martial Mastery gets me plenty to work with, and nothing he has is too scary. Porcupine can deal with Zarra and a tower takedown all but guarantees that, so that’s out for him as an option. Sickness and nether drain don’t do much for him either, and with two Sparring Partners, I’m in great shape to buff bird and GN. I might actually have this! He must have been saying he was losing b/c he workered StW, there’s no other good explanation

zhavier · November 29, 2018, 3:38pm

See, GG, you had this, what exactly did you think I would ahve in hand that could deal with your consistently superior board presence?

FrozenStorm · November 29, 2018, 3:45pm

Sacrifice the Weak? Another Hooded Exec? Demon Tech 2 units like Blocker, Banefire, or Dozer? Anything with a soul stone? All of those felt very scary for naked Ninjas sitting by themselves against a big board with a tower.

GG WP, I was indeed in better shape than perhaps I was giving myself credit for, but it definitely felt scary turns 6-9

Game 4 to you for starting, in fairness I think P2 maybe won 2 out of 10 games in this matchup when Bob and I played it!

zhavier · November 29, 2018, 4:13pm

With any tech 2 unit there was hardly anything scary to offer against entangling and reversal. Grave and Rook are proving to be stars of this matchup, and as you say, Rook is definitely Vandy’s Kryptonite.

And while P2 may lose more, my last showing as p1 here was brutally bad. I did notice a few times this match where deteriorate would have made a reasonable difference.

Maybe vandy and friends can do better Note I am leaning that 1g deteriorate is unbalancing this matchup, because it was 50/50 before, and I don’t think it is anymore.

P1T1

StartingHand Workers

STARTING HAND
Summon Skeletons
Poisonblade Rogue
Pestering Haunt
Skeleton Javelineer
Skeletal Archery

WORKERS
Poisonblade Rogue

NextHand

Thieving Imp
Jandra, the Negator
Sacrifice the Weak
Deteriorate

Discard

Summon Skeletons
Skeletal Archery

Tech 0 card(s)
Get Paid - ($4)
Worker - ($3)
Pestering Haunt
Skeleton Javelineer - ($2)
Vandy - ($0)

Float ($0)
Discard 2, draw 4

Board Info:
In Patrol:

Squad Leader:
Elite:
Scavenger:
Technician:
Lookout: Vandy 2/3

In Play:

Pestering Haunt 1/1
Skeleton Javelineer 1/1

Buildings:

Base HP: 20

Economy Info:
Cards:

Hand: 4
Deck: 1
Disc: 2

Gold:

Gold: 0
Workers: 5

FrozenStorm · November 29, 2018, 7:12pm

Imma hafta pause until tomorrow, but here’s an opening

Game 6, Player 2, Turn 1

P2 White vs P1 Black w/ 1g Deteriorate

Starting Hand

Safe Attacking
Sensei's Advice
Grappling Hook
Morningstar Flagbearer
Snapback

Events of Turn:

Upkeep:

Get Gold (5)
Tech 2 cards in (except for turn 1)

All Teched Cards

Main:

Morningstar Flagbearer (2)
Worker (1)

Workers

Safe Attacking

Patrol as below
Discard 3 Draw 5
Tech 2 cards before my next turn

Board Info:

Buildings:

Base HP: 20
Tech1 HP: 5
Tech2 HP: 5 NINJUTSU

In Patrol:

Squad Leader:
Elite: Morningstar Flagbearer (2+1/2)
Scavenger:
Technician:
Lookout:

In Play:

Nothin

Economy Info:

Cards:

Hand: 5
Deck: 0
Disc: 3

Gold:

Gold: 1
Workers: 6

End of Turn Hand

Aged Sensei
Smoker
Savior Monk
Fox Viper
Fox Primus

End of Turn Discard

Snapback
Grappling Hook
Sensei's Advice

My Thoughts

Nothing is safe to that opening, but the last thing I want to do is give away levels. So I think the goal is spend as cheaply as possible to block what’s critical and try to build enough econ to permanently stabilize.

zhavier · November 29, 2018, 9:16pm

Understood, no rush You will probably be starting a match against Marto tomorrow for XCAFS.

P1T2

Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
Bone Collector
Shadow Blade

STARTING HAND
Thieving Imp
Jandra, the Negator
Deteriorate
Sacrifice the Weak

WORKERS
Poisonblade Rogue
Jandra, the Negator

NextHand

Graveyard
Thieving Imp
Sacrifice the Weak
Bone Collector

Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid - ($5)
Worker - ($4)
Deteriorate flagbearer - ($3)
Javelineer kills Flagbearer with Rune
Tech 1 - ($2)
Midband Vandy - ($0)
Vandy and Haunt hit Base to 16

Float ($0)
Discard 2, draw 1, reshuffle, draw 3

Board Info:
In Patrol:

Squad Leader:
Elite:
Scavenger:
Technician:
Lookout:

In Play:

Pestering Haunt 1/1
Skeleton Javelineer 1/1, no rune
Vandy 3/4

Buildings:

Base HP: 20
Tech I HP: 5

Economy Info:
Cards:

Hand: 4
Deck: 4
Disc: 0

Gold:

Gold: 0
Workers: 6

FrozenStorm · November 30, 2018, 1:34am

Got some time this evening

Game 6, Player 2, Turn 2

P2 White vs P1 Black w/ 1g Deteriorate

Starting Hand

Aged Sensei
Smoker
Savior Monk
Fox Viper
Fox Primus

Events of Turn:

Upkeep:

Get Gold (6+1float)
Tech 2 cards in (except for turn 1)

All Teched Cards

Inverse Power Ninja x2

Main:

Rook (5)
Tower (2)
Tech 1 (1)
Worker (0)

Workers

Fox Viper, Safe Attacking

Patrol as below
Discard 4 rs Draw 5
Tech 2 cards before my next turn

Board Info:

Buildings:

Base HP: 20
Tech1 HP: 5
Tower HP: 4

In Patrol:

Squad Leader:
Elite: Rook (2+1/4 lvl 1)
Scavenger:
Technician:
Lookout:

In Play:

Nothin

Economy Info:

Cards:

Hand: 5
Deck: 5
Disc: 0

Gold:

Gold: 0
Workers: 7

End of Turn Hand

Savior Monk
Morningstar Flagbearer
Aged Sensei
Smoker
Inverse Power Ninja

End of Turn Discard

My Thoughts

Safe to all but Shadow Blade, but honestly I’ll deal with that if that’s the case. Grabbing IPNs to help out.

zhavier · November 30, 2018, 1:08pm

P1T3

Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
Soul Stone
Plague Spitter

STARTING HAND
Graveyard
Sacrifice the Weak
Thieving Imp
Bone Collector

WORKERS
Poisonblade Rogue
Jandra, the Negator
Graveyard

NextHand

Skeletal Archery
Deteriorate
Shadow Blade
Summon Skeletons

Discard

Pestering Haunt
Skeleton Javelineer
Sacrifice the Weak
Thieving Imp
Soul Stone
Plague Spitter

Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid - ($6)
Worker - ($5)
Bone Collector - ($3)
Max Vandy, doom Skeleton, skeleton and Jav kill Rook - ($1)
Vandy breaks Tower, base to 14

Float ($1)
Discard 2, draw 4

Board Info:
In Patrol:

Squad Leader:
Elite:
Scavenger:
Technician: Bone Collector 3/3
Lookout:

In Play:

Vandy 4/4, lvl 5

Buildings:

Base HP: 20
Tech I HP: 5

Economy Info:
Cards:

Hand: 4
Deck: 0
Disc: 6

Gold:

Gold: 1
Workers: 7

FrozenStorm · November 30, 2018, 2:59pm

Game 6, Player 2, Turn 3

P2 White vs P1 Black w/ 1g Deteriorate

Starting Hand

Savior Monk
Morningstar Flagbearer
Aged Sensei
Smoker
Inverse Power Ninja

Events of Turn:

Upkeep:

Get Gold (6+1float)
Tech 2 cards in (except for turn 1)

All Teched Cards

Sparring Partner, Speed of the Fox
Inverse Power Ninja x2

Main:

Inverse Power Ninja (4)
Savior Monk (2)
Smoker (1)
Worker (0)

Workers

Aged Sensei, Fox Viper, Safe Attacking

Patrol as below
Discard 1 Draw 3
Tech 2 cards before my next turn

Board Info:

Buildings:

Base HP: 14
Tech1 HP: 5

In Patrol:

Squad Leader: Inverse Power Ninja (4/4+1armor)
Elite:
Scavenger:
Technician:
Lookout: Smoker (1/1)

In Play:

Savior Monk (2/2)

Economy Info:

Cards:

Hand: 3
Deck: 2
Disc: 3

Gold:

Gold: 0
Workers: 8

End of Turn Hand

Inverse Power Ninja
Snapback
Sensei's Advice

End of Turn Discard

My Thoughts

Probably running tech 2 ninja again, grabbing a SotF and Sparring Partner and probably FDSchool + Porcupine or GN next. I’m drawing into Snapback so we’ll see how he does with vandy.

zhavier · November 30, 2018, 4:09pm

P1T4

Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
Shrine of Forbidden Knowledge
Metamorphosis

STARTING HAND
Summon Skeletons
Shadow Blade
Deteriorate
Skeletal Archery

WORKERS
Poisonblade Rogue
Jandra, the Negator
Graveyard
Skeletal Archery

NextHand

Deteriorate
Plague Spitter
Bone Collector
Thieving Imp

Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid + float - ($8)
Worker - ($7)
Bone Collector dies on Ninja, I get a skeleton
Shadow Blade Ninja dead, you discard 2 of 3 - ($4)
Tech 2 Demon - ($0)
Vandy kills Smoker

Float ($0)
Discard 2, reshuffle, draw 4

Board Info:
In Patrol:

Squad Leader:
Elite:
Scavenger:
Technician: Skeleton 1/1
Lookout:

In Play:

Vandy 4/3, lvl 5

Buildings:

Base HP: 20
Tech I HP: 5
Tech II HP: 5 (Demonology)

Economy Info:
Cards:

Hand: 4
Deck: 8
Disc: 0

Gold:

Gold: 0
Workers: 8

Thoughts

I could HH and Deteriorate here and clear his board, but better to threaten tech 2 nasty’s

FrozenStorm · November 30, 2018, 4:15pm

Your discards are a damn magnet to my critical cards!

Game 6, Player 2, Turn 4

P2 White vs P1 Black w/ 1g Deteriorate

Starting Hand

Inverse Power Ninja
Snapback
Sensei's Advice

Events of Turn:

Upkeep:

Get Gold (8)
Tech 2 cards in (except for turn 1)

All Teched Cards

Glorious Ninja, Fox’s Den School
Sparring Partner, Speed of the Fox
Inverse Power Ninja x2

Main:

Inverse Power Ninja (5)
Tech 2 Ninjitsu (1)

Workers

Aged Sensei, Fox Viper, Safe Attacking

Patrol as below
Discard 1 Draw 2 rs Draw 1
Tech 2 cards before my next turn

Board Info:

Buildings:

Base HP: 14
Tech1 HP: 5
Tech2 HP: 5 NINJUTSU

In Patrol:

Squad Leader: Inverse Power Ninja (5/5+1armor)
Elite:
Scavenger:
Technician:
Lookout:

In Play:

Savior Monk (2/2)

Economy Info:

Cards:

Hand: 3
Deck: 8
Disc: 0

Gold:

Gold: 1
Workers: 8

End of Turn Hand

Grappling Hook
Fox Primus
Fox's Den School

End of Turn Discard

My Thoughts

Yuuuuuuck lol. I’m not even sure how to properly fight back, but FDSchool and GN seem decent options… idk though. Gotta skip worker just to stay afloat on cards, vandy is a damn menace

zhavier · November 30, 2018, 5:03pm

"P1T5

Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
Sickness
Death and Decay

STARTING HAND
Bone Collector
Thieving Imp
Plague Spitter
Deteriorate

WORKERS
Poisonblade Rogue
Jandra, the Negator
Graveyard
Skeletal Archery
Bone Collector

NextHand

Sacrifice the Weak
Soul Stone
Summon Skeletons
Shadow Blade

Discard

Thieving Imp
Deteriorate
Sickness
Death and Decay

Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid - ($8)
Worker - ($7)
Orpal - ($5)
Tower - ($2)
Plague Spitter - ($0)

Float ($0)
Discard 2, draw 4

Board Info:
In Patrol:

Squad Leader:
Elite:
Scavenger: Skeleton 1/1
Technician: Plague Spitter 3/3
Lookout:

In Play:

Vandy 4/3, lvl 5
Orpal 1/3, lvl 1

Buildings:

Base HP: 20
Tech I HP: 5
Tech II HP: 5 (Demonology)
Tower HP: 4

Economy Info:
Cards:

Hand: 4
Deck: 4
Disc: 4

Gold:

Gold: 0
Workers: 9

Thoughts

Gah missed both on the draw, oh well…

"

FrozenStorm · November 30, 2018, 5:30pm

This is a damn roflstomp lol

Game 6, Player 2, Turn 5

P2 White vs P1 Black w/ 1g Deteriorate

Starting Hand

Grappling Hook
Fox Primus
Fox's Den School

Events of Turn:

Upkeep:

Get Gold (8)
Tech 2 cards in (except for turn 1)

All Teched Cards

Porcupine, Martial Mastery
Glorious Ninja, Fox’s Den School
Sparring Partner, Speed of the Fox
Inverse Power Ninja x2

Main:

Tower (6)
Fox’s Den School (2)
Rook (0)

Workers

Aged Sensei, Fox Viper, Safe Attacking

Patrol as below
Discard 2 Draw 4
Tech 2 cards before my next turn

Board Info:

Buildings:

Base HP: 14
Tech1 HP: 5
Tech2 HP: 5 NINJUTSU
Tower HP: 4

In Patrol:

Squad Leader: Rook (2/4+1armor)
Elite:
Scavenger:
Technician: Inverse Power Ninja (4/4, invisible)
Lookout:

In Play:

Savior Monk (2/2)
Fox’s Den School (invisible, 4hp)

Economy Info:

Cards:

Hand: 4
Deck: 4
Disc: 4

Gold:

Gold: 0
Workers: 8

End of Turn Hand

Smoker
Inverse Power Ninja
Sparring Partner
Sensei's Advice

End of Turn Discard

My Thoughts

He’s got a book-like read on the situation, I’m so fucked lol.

Hobusu · November 30, 2018, 5:38pm

Is this meant to be a school?

FrozenStorm · November 30, 2018, 5:39pm

yuuuupp lol, thanks, fixed!

Hobusu · November 30, 2018, 5:49pm

~~It’s obviously Sirlin’s fault for using the same acronym for both.~~

FrozenStorm · November 30, 2018, 6:02pm

Same acronym, same cost, same spec…

Hobusu · November 30, 2018, 6:05pm

The names are even the same except for one word! This was clearly all a cunning plan to make everyone as confused as possible.