I overlooked resist from thief 
Can I change it?
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I mean yeah I concede.
Does anyone else think temporal distortion is way undercosted for what it does?
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Oh yes, present is probably just THE best spec on tech 2 level in this game and it’s very good spells just add perfectly to the mix.
I’ve said it and I’ll say it again. Some things are supposed to be better. look at overwatch. They nerfed everything until everything sucked the same and the game died. There can’t be a strong option if all the options are the same. It’s like complaining "Why red has so much haste or “Why black draws so much”?
That’s a ridiculous argument. One should always strive for balance in competitive games.
Now there can absolutely be variety and asymmetry, and I think games are better for it, but they should still be as balanced as possible!
That would be like saying “akuma in super turbo is a strong option” and allowing him in tournaments. There’s a good reason he’s banned.
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Agree! Have a look at the last tournament winners. It is always one of the three combat heroes (Vandy, Cala, Grave) with usually one of the top tech2 (Finesse, Peace, Present). It gets a bit boring, always the same cards… You could take 70% of the total cards out in some tournaments and play without them and would not see a difference
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Actually as a more recent and egregious example: blood bowl, a game I quite enjoy, is horribly unbalanced. The designers have a design philosophy that certain teams should be stronger or weaker. They deliberately aim for certain tiers when designing and balancing. Goblins and Ogres are famously terrible, very bad teams, expected to win 35-40% of their games. 40%!
And when you talk to blood bowl players about this they say “yeah it’s so you can handicap yourself if you want a challenge”. Like what?? These teams purely exist for bragging rights or goofing off? But they put some of the most fun mechanics on these weak teams! I find it absolutely unconscionable.
Maybe I just think goblins are cool, but I still want to compete at a decent level. Should I be forced to play elves just to have a shot at winning competitively?
Sirlin always strived to make games that were balanced and interesting at every level of play, especially top level. In his opinion, if a competitive game does not hold up to competitive play, it is a poorly designed game.
I do not agree with everything Sirlin does and says, but that one I am firmly on board with.
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My final thought: I was the one who began seriously pushing for fully agreed permanent balance changes on this very forum. I definitely didn’t get it a hundred percent right, but that’s what iteration is for. I am all about balance.
And I think we need to nerf present.
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I completely second that. Also I think Garrison and Finesse combos need further nerfs. Garrison is still too strong in itself. Finesse as a stand alone is fine, but it is just off the charts if you have any reliable card draw to pair it with.
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I also very much agree on the need of both Present and Finesse getting nerfed. Is there a good place to throw some ideas around? I don’t want to fork this thread into balance discussions
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