I on some occasions removed the penultimate rune from an opponent’s fading argo
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I’m pretty sure I killed something by removing time runes in a mono purple mirror against request. Maybe that’s what people are remembering.
This still leaves some wiggle room. Note sharpobject’s summarizing of the ability as “when the last one is removed” which is agnostic about who does the removing. It’s possible that the bolded you in the fading help text is a use of the universal “you” to mean “anyone” like in a declarative “when you’re hungry, you eat.” …or it’s possible it really does mean “you” as in “you, the controller of the thing with fading.”
Another possibility is that it’s similar to the “Sac the Weak” ruling in free for all: it doesn’t give you any gold because it isn’t you who is destroying the units, but rather Sac the Weak forces your opponents to sacrifice the units themselves. In a similar way, fading could be a thing where you (the controller of the thing with fading) are always the person who is removing or adding time runes to things, even if you are being forced to by an effect controlled by your opponent.
I think it has to be clarified from on high either way. Personally, I really hope you can kill your opponent’s fading stuff by removing the last time rune from it.
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We’ve already had the clarification from “on high”. This is from http://codexcarddb.com/ruling/fading_x:
I’m not sure what else there is to argue over.#
Oh I see - that still talks about “you”. I guess we’re still unclear what happens if the opponent causes the removal. (But I would be bemused if it wasn’t that “the thing dies”.)
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And note that the ruling above from @sharpobject doesn’t contradict anything I’m saying. He is talking about the specific case of Free Speech on Prynn, which - amongst other things - removes her “fading” ability. So if you manage to remove the last rune from your own Prynn when she is under Free Speech, it makes sense that, since she at that moment no longer has fading, she doesn’t die. And then the “if you somehow have something with fading in play with 0 time runes…” ruling kicks in.
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Exactly. And I agree that the “intuitive” thing to happen is that it should kill the thing rather than make it live indefinitely, but the intuitive thing isn’t always correct.
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If opponent assimilate my graveyard that has one of my units, can he uses its exhaust ability right away to summon my unit to his board?
Does the assimilated graveyard have arrival fatigue?
Assimilated cards suffer from arrival fatigue.
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Just want to check: gaining control of things (with assimilate or mind control) gives them arrival fatigue, but they don’t get their “arrives” effects, right?
Right. ‘Arrival Fatigue’ applies to any card which wasn’t under your control at the start of your turn. It actually has nothing to do with entering play (which is when ‘Arrives:’ abilities trigger)
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Checking I’m right again (I was wrong last time!)
I can’t use Final Smash to steal back a unit which my opponent cast Mind Control on, right? Or rather, I can (it’s a legal target), but Mind Control will mean that my opponent instantly gets it back.
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Huh. I would assume that Final Smash gives you the unit back permanently, since there’s no end to the control effect of Final Smash. Same logic as if you Mind Controlled a unit that your opponent had Mind Controlled.
That might be wrong though, idk for sure.
Hello guys. Quick question just want to check if my play was legal. I played hive then omegcron with forecast 6. I then sacrificed the 5 stingers to remove 5 time runes from omegacron. I then max band Geiger who trashed hive and then returned hive to play resummoning 5 stingers. Was that legal thx
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Yes.
Ah, that was the character limit everyone was talking about.
Definitely. No doubt about it. Sure bet.
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That’s specifically in the case of “new triggers” though. Hmm. Though it raises the question of whether Final Smash does anything at all to a unit controlled by Mind Control, if Mind Control is “continuously applied.” So like, you Final Smash, take the unit back, but then Mind Control immediately takes it away from you again?
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Apparently you keep it just long enough to trash your Hardened Mox.
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Hidden Ninja compares the printed attack value. Correct?
No, I think it looks at the “actual” attack value at the point where you target your unit/hero with HN.
So you couldn’t target a 4/4 with a +1/+1 rune - but you could target it when it’s still just a 4/4, THEN later in the turn give it the rune. In that case it’s a 5/5 and it keeps stealth.
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So, if Vandy maxbands, the only eligible opposing unit has resist and I don’t have any gold:
a) I cannot maxband her (probably wrong)
b) I cannot use her ability at all, because it requires me to give +2/+2 to both
c) I give +2/+2 to one of my units and none of my opponents
Which one is it? Thanks.
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