When Vir reaches max level, he forecasts a mech that is untargettable.
When it arrives, it is clearly untargettable. But while it is forecast?
Specifically, can seer (or tinkerer, time spiral, etc) add (or remove) a time rune from it while it is forecast, on the reading that “untargettable” applies to the creature when it is in play?
Additional question: I want to verify the timing of adding two tech cards to the discard pile. Is it just after the last player sets their patrol zone (long after collecting any draw from the technician death), and before anything in the upkeep phase – before any fade/forecast tokens, etc.? (This is what I have been thinking so far, I want to make sure I’m doing this right.)
More a series of hypothetical fun questions than a real one, but I’m really curious:
What happens if I am kidnapping a unit which I then want to return to my hand via TD?
Does it actually go to my own hand?
If yes: Will it then later be discarded to my own pile or to the discard of the owner?
Couldnt find how to search this, someone probably just knows the answer off the top of their head i hope:
If my opponent has tech 1, 2 and 3 up, and i destroy tech 1 and 2 in a turn, do they meet the tech requirements for rebuilding tech 2 on their following turn?
I.e. can they
A) rebuild both at once as tech 3 is sufficient for building tech 2
B) rebuild only tech 1 as building a tech 2 spexifically needs tech 1
C) would be choose which one to rebuild but i see no reason that would be the case
Short question about the right oder of event processing. In the current finals, the question occured whether Bloodburn receives a rune from midband quince’s mirror copying a unit with ephemeral.
@charnel_mouse wrote a nice summary of how events progress once ephemeral is processed
On second thought I would challenge that the situation might not even come to the point where 1. is progressed. I would second @rathyAro with:
So he is allowed to choose that quince’s trigger is progressed before the ephemeral trigger. Hence the midband mirror glider is trashed before ephemeral can be prrogressed and hence BB does not get a rune for this one. Do you agree?
PS: For the game it doesn’t make a difference as in the next turns more units died than Bloodburn was allowed to take runes.
Do both of blooming ancient’s abilities target? Or put another way, if dreamscape is out and the player controlling blooming ancient plays a unit, does blooming ancient target itself thus killing itself?
Is a Mirror Illusion still a Mirror Illusion after copying something? In other words: If I copied something with a Mirror Illusion: Can I use it again later to copy something else with it?
“If you use the middle ability or max level ability to make of your Mirror Illusions a copy of something else, you can’t use either of those abilities again the same turn on that same Illusion. The reason is that the ability refers to your “Mirror Illusion” but after your Mirror Illusion copies a Squirrel, for example, you have an Illusion Squirrel, not a Mirror Illusion. You can use these abilities on ANOTHER Mirror Illusion you control though.”
The “the same turn” part of that ruling never made any sense to me because neither copy effect is temporary, but maybe the wording was different back then.
Regardless, Quince’s abilities are a bit counterintuitive, so a simple yes or no answer would be misleading. It’s necessary to read through all the rulings on that linked page to understand how he works.
“(2): One of your Mirror Illusions becomes a copy of another tech 0, I, or II unit. It’s still an Illusion. Trash it at end of turn.”
It’s not technically temporary, but you lose it at end of turn.
When you copy something, it’s no longer the card “Mirror Illusion”. It becomes whatever you copied with the “Illusion” ability and subtype. Therefore, you can’t target it with Quince midband or maxband because it’s no longer a “Mirror Illusion”.
Usually, but not always. There’s a reason some of those rulings discuss the number of times Quince trashes a particular Mirror, and that reason involves Manufactured Truth and Gilded Glaxx. Even without that exception, the wording is still confusing because a trashed Mirror is not available for Quince to use an ability on in a later turn.
By my understanding, yes I think you could turn a Mirror that is copying a Tech 0 or 1 unit back into a Mirror with Manufactured Truth, and then probably use Quince midband on it.
The question is… why? There are such edge-cases where that would be relevant, that I struggle to imagine it ever being useful. And even then technically yeah I think it does still get trashed end of turn/when quince or the original dies, because those things are stipulated by Quince when he triggers the abilities in the first place.
This is not like the Prynn case where you can prevent units returning from the void by delevelling her, because Quince appends the trash conditions to the Mirror at the time of copying, rather than it being a triggered ability by him at the time the conditions are met.
Ok actually while writing this post I realised you could use Manufactured to turn a Tech 0 or 1 unit into a Mirror and then use it to copy a Tech 2. So ok it has niche application, and is still rarely more useful than just using the Mirror you already have (because Manufactured Truth requires the thing to be on the field to be copied). Maybe if your opponent has a Mirror and you’re short on gold…? Man I dunno, I’m not gonna spend any more time thinking about this because it’s pointless in 99% of cases. If an edge case like this comes up in a game and I’m judging, yeah I’ll rule it as best I can.
Point being, no you cannot use Quince Midband on a Mirror Illusion that is copying something else, because it is no longer a Mirror Illusion.
I meant that you can use Quince’s midband to turn a Mirror into a tech 0 or 1 then use Manufactured Truth to turn it into a Glaxx so it can’t be trashed. With that, you could permanently have 3 copies of Porkhand Magistrate all targeting your Building Inspector for rapid card draw or some similar silliness.
But, your example got me thinking. Let’s say your board was completely wiped and your tech buildings destroyed except for your Tech I, but you had an Omegacron arrive at start of turn. You have $15 and only Gargoyle and Manufactured Truth in hand. Your opponent has a full patrol of non-fliers and 12 base HP. You could summon Quince, midband him, play the Gargoyle, use the midband to copy the Gargoyle, have the copy self-buff, buy a second Mirror, cast Truth to make the first token into a (3/1) flying Mirror Illusion, then use the midband to turn it into a (12/7) Omegacron with flying and haste which could secure the win.
First example:
Mirror Illusion copies Porkhand Magistrate via Quince midband, and becomes Illusion Porkhand Magistrate, but will be trashed at end of turn.
Then you cast Manufactured Truth, and copy a Gilded Glaxx until end of turn. It’s still an Illusion though, I’m pretty certain, because the Illusion is inherent to the Mirror Illusion and I don’t think that can be overridden. It also still counts towards Quince’s limit of two.
As has been ruled by official rules man sharp object, ‘at end of turn’ happens before ‘until end of turn’, so at the the of your turn, if you have gold, Quince tries to trash it and cannot, and then it returns to being a Porkhand Magistrate.
Technically true.
Second example:
You play Gargoyle, and copy it with a Mirror Illusion. You now have an Illusion Gargoyle.
You pay one gold to give the Illusion +3 attack and Flying, and it loses Indestructible.
Then you copy it using Manufactured Truth turning your other Mirror Illusion into… a 0/2 Illusion Gargoyle with Indestructible. This is because Manufactured Truth only cares about the printed card, not any modifiers.
Ok but let’s imagine you could copy the +3 attack and flying… you still couldn’t copy Omegacron, because you wouldn’t have a Mirror Illusion, you’d have an Illusion Gargoyle, and you can’t target it with Quince’s midband.
This example does not work.
(I know the last part sounds contradictory, but Quince’s abilities effectively change the printed text on the Mirrors)
I think you misunderstood here: you don’t MT the second Mirror into another Gargoyle. You MT the first Mirror – which is currently an activated Gargoyle – back into a Mirror, then use Quince to turn it into an Omegacron, still with +3 attack and flying. This works fine.