Casual/playtesting Dwarddd vs Moby_Dick

Yes, but being able to float the gold with no 1 drops in starter doesnt always work out plus is more risky against red, i still have argos for when it is possible to float

Was that a I draw what I want test game?

Turn 2: Tech 2 Tech1 directly draw them both
Turn 4: No new teched cards drawn, because not needed due to tech up
Turn 6: Tech Ready or not directly draw it with TR from 2 out of 8 with 2 cards perfectly together with TD, which was the only chance to get out.
Turn 7: Tech Boot and directly draw it as 2 out of 13

If you want to test something with perfect draws, fine for me. Same rules for everyone. Rematch in the draw what you want and full information mode?

And yes, Ocelot has good stats for colors that don’t have a 3/3 for 2g to avoid multi color. But Anti air is missing, so he stays OK.

I’m afraid i did not cheat in this game, sometimes one gets lucky and if i had been fixing my draws i wouldn’t have done it quite like that anyway.
If you want for me to send the link to my spreadsheet i believe all the history should also be shared, but please dont accuse me without checking.

I would still like to test this deck as P2 if you would like, same rules as this game - standard

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I am not aware that you can reconstruct it with the sheet. If anyone has done that before I am interested in that. Let’s see what the future games will reveal.

OK, rematch with the same rules.

P1T1

P1 [Anarchy]/Blood/Fire vs. P2


StartingHand Workers

STARTING HAND
Charge
Nautical Dog (1/1)
Pillage
Bloodrage Ogre (3/2)
Careless Musketeer (2/1)


WORKERS
Careless Musketeer (2/1)


NextHand

Mad Man (1/1)
Scorch
Makeshift Rambaster (1/2)
Bloodburn
Bombaster (2/2)


Discard

Bloodrage Ogre (3/2)
Pillage
Charge


Tech 0 card(s)
Get Paid - ($4)
Worker - ($3)
Dog - ($2)
Drakk - ($0)

Float ($0)
Discard 3, draw 5


Board Info:
In Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader: Nautical Dog (1/1)
  • :psfist: Elite:
  • :ps_: Scavenger:
  • :pschip: Technician: Drakk L1 (1/3)
  • :target: Lookout:

In Play:
*

Buildings:

  • :heart: Base HP: 20

Economy Info:
Cards:

  • Hand: 5
  • Deck: 0
  • Disc: 3

Gold:

  • Gold: 0
  • Workers: 5
Thoughts

Both, dog and ogre on the first…

Let’s try it with Drakk again

I’m not entirely sure I’m comfortable playing another game; this sounds, to put it bluntly, biased… and I’d rather not be accused if I am once again lucky (or unlucky, as I’m sure then I’d be rigging it that way to make up for last game)

I’ve had an initial foray into using the change history to check for draw tampering. I believe if i copied the required boxes onto a second spreadsheet (hidden sheet included), made the required edits and copied them all back on top within how long it takes for the sheet to autosave it may appear identical but, well, I can’t be bothered to check (please go ahead). When i tried making the changes in place it put 4 entries into the edit history compared to the 1 when you use the “draw 1 card” button. So yeah, clean history would be good evidence but not perfect for no tampering.

Anyway, since I do honestly want to test this further I’ll play, but really… why would I cheat when i literally asked for this game to test out a deck?

P2T1


StartingHand Workers

STARTING HAND
Temporal Research
Forgotten Fighter
Time Spiral
Hardened Mox
Plasmodium


WORKERS
Forgotten Fighter


NextHand

Fading Argonaut
Nullcraft
Battle Suits
Neo Plexus
Tinkerer


Discard

Time Spiral
Temporal Research
Plasmodium(4/4) forecast 3


Tech 0 card(s)
Get Paid - ($5)
Worker - ($4)
Mox - ($1)
Tech 1 - ($0)

Float ($0)
Discard 3, draw 5


Board Info:
In Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader: Hardened Mox(1/1a) indestructible
  • :psfist: Elite:
  • :ps_: Scavenger:
  • :pschip: Technician:
  • :target: Lookout:

In Play:
*

Buildings:

  • :heart: Base HP: 20
  • :heart: Tech I HP: 5

Economy Info:
Cards:

  • Hand: 5
  • Deck: 0
  • Disc: 3

Gold:

  • Gold: 0
  • Workers: 6
Thoughts

welp, that’s an awful hand

plasmo with no seer arrives t4, mox means likely losing a gold (no good way to spend it next turn either), FF gives him free card, others are useless

ah, can tech 1 early - i fear them putting 3 dmg on it very easily but i don’t see a better option really; i think this is better than Max in elite and plasmo because plasmo t4 is really too late

It’s very easy to cheat in various ways in PbP games, including ways that can’t be detected. Every game on this forum is based on trust. If someone isn’t comfortable with that, they can schedule a game on tabletop simulator instead, or maybe ask a 3rd party to manage the sheets for both players (they’d probably find fewer games though). But accusing others of cheating does nothing other than foul the atmosphere (and is unlikely to change anyone’s behavior anyway).

Also, to rephrase @Bryce_The_Rice: we’re a dozen odd people playing a niche game for zero stakes. What would be the point of cheating? And even if someone really was cheating, so what?

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Well said, what a handsome and intelligent man that Bryce must be.

More relevantly, I still don’t encourage cheating of course. But, how the hell would I know? Why bother worrying about it?
I’m just here to have fun, win or lose.

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@dwarddd if you don’t cheat, no problem just go on playing as you usually do. If you did it in the past, now is the time to do it better, or please inform me about different rules.

@Dreamfire appreciate your answer, although I see it a bit different. Why worrying about it? I spend a lot of time on each turn. If your opponment always hit the low odds, it just changes the game. You, Bryce, Mouse and Frozen are the players with the most time in the forum. You create the culture, and I understand that you don’t want to discuss it and create a bubble ignoring it. But this was no official tournament game, so I want to set the rules clear. I have no problem playing in the full cheater mode if we agree on it in advance, I did it several times with myself and Zango to test the maximum power of a deck. It is very demanding and time consuming, since you always have to be 2-3 turns ahead.

That players won’t change when you tell them seems that you tried it? I am sure you and the others know who cheated in the past. If you know the game and calculate a bit the probabilities, you see it after a certain time very clear that some cases are just too low from the odds. And I am not the only one. One of the best players left the forum due to that.

Back to the game…

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P1T2

P1 [Anarchy]/Blood/Fire vs. P2


Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
Gunpoint Taxman (3/3)
Gunpoint Taxman (3/3)


STARTING HAND
Bombaster (2/2)
Scorch
Makeshift Rambaster (1/2)
Bloodburn
Mad Man (1/1)


WORKERS
Careless Musketeer (2/1)
Scorch


NextHand

Charge
Bloodburn
Gunpoint Taxman (3/3)
Pillage
Gunpoint Taxman (3/3)


Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid - ($5)
Worker - ($4)
Bombaster - ($2)
Tech1 - ($1)

Float ($1)
Discard 3, reshuffle, draw 5


Board Info:
In Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader: Drakk L1 (1/3)
  • :psfist: Elite:
  • :ps_: Scavenger: Bombaster (2/2)
  • :pschip: Technician: Nautical Dog (1/1)
  • :target: Lookout:

In Play:
*

Buildings:

  • :heart: Base HP: 20
  • :heart: Tech I HP: 5

Economy Info:
Cards:

  • Hand: 5
  • Deck: 3
  • Disc: 0

Gold:

  • Gold: 1
  • Workers: 6
Thoughts

Mox again… could do the same and play bloodburn, pretty sure it would work again. But let’s do something different. Maybe Blood?

We have discussed it, that’s why I originally made that comment however long ago.
We’re not trying to stifle discussion, and I didn’t try to claim my point of view was universal. I was sharing my reasons for not really worrying about it.
I hope people will be honest, if they’re not, there’s nothing I can do about it.
I mean, sure, technically, we could go through the stats of every single person and look at the odds of certain draws and plays or whatever, and spend hours and hours trying to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt someone is cheating…
But I don’t care that much.
There’s no money, no glory, no prizes, no prestige, no social status, no nothing to be won here. Just some dudes playing some cards.
It’s not worth my time to invest all that effort to figure out if someone is cheating.

And just to pre-empt it anyone might think “ooo he’s just saying that to discourage people from investigating him!” then look at my last two tournament scores. 0-3 twice. If I am cheating, I’m terrible at it.

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:wink: I know that you, mouse, dreamfire and frozen are not cheating. The same for almost all players that played here in the forum.

Sorry, have not forgotten about game just very busy

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No problem, me too.

take your time with your turn @Moby_Dick , i’m happy to continue this game at whatever speed we manage

haha i have that T2 float after all that, mostly due to poor first hand though

P2T2


Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
Argonaut
Argonaut


STARTING HAND
Tinkerer
Fading Argonaut
Battle Suits
Neo Plexus
Nullcraft


WORKERS
Forgotten Fighter
Tinkerer


NextHand

Time Spiral
Temporal Research
Argonaut
Battle Suits


Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid - ($6)
Worker - ($5)
Fargo - ($3)
Neo - ($1)

Float ($1)
Discard 2, reshuffle, draw 4


Board Info:
In Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader: Fading Argonaut(2/3a)
  • :psfist: Elite: Hardened Mox(1+1/1a) indestructible
  • :ps_: Scavenger:
  • :pschip: Technician: Neo Plexus(2/2)
  • :target: Lookout:

In Play:
*

Buildings:

  • :heart: Base HP: 20
  • :heart: Tech I HP: 5

Economy Info:
Cards:

  • Hand: 4
  • Deck: 3
  • Disc: 0

Gold:

  • Gold: 1
  • Workers: 7

If you don’t need the gold, I will take it.

P1T3

P1 [Anarchy]/Blood/Fire vs. P2


Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
War Drums
War Drums


STARTING HAND
Gunpoint Taxman (3/3)
Bloodburn
Gunpoint Taxman (3/3)
Pillage
Charge


WORKERS
Careless Musketeer (2/1)
Scorch
Bloodburn


NextHand

War Drums
Makeshift Rambaster (1/2)
Pillage
Mad Man (1/1)
Bloodrage Ogre (3/2)


Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid + float - ($7)
Maxband drakk - ($2)
GP - ($0)
GPT kills SL - ($1)
Worker - ($0)

Float ($0)
Discard 3, draw 3, reshuffle, draw 2


Board Info:
In Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader: Bombaster (2/2)
  • :psfist: Elite:
  • :ps_: Scavenger:
  • :pschip: Technician: Nautical Dog (1/1)
  • :target: Lookout:

In Play:

  • Gunpoint Taxman (1/3)
  • Drakk L6 (3/4)

Buildings:

  • :heart: Base HP: 20
  • :heart: Tech I HP: 5

Economy Info:
Cards:

  • Hand: 5
  • Deck: 3
  • Disc: 0

Gold:

  • Gold: 0
  • Workers: 7
Thoughts

Let’s try war drums

@dwarddd turn

@Moby_Dick hi, uni term over for me now, I’m very sorry about disappearing - it was a very stressful term!

If you have lost interest in this game no worries, sorry again for no notice about me stopping replying; but if you are down to continue here is my turn :smiley:

P2T3


Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
Temporal Distortion
Hired Stomper


STARTING HAND
Battle Suits
Time Spiral
Temporal Research
Argonaut


WORKERS
Forgotten Fighter
Tinkerer
Time Spiral


NextHand

Nullcraft
Argonaut
Plasmodium(4/4) forecast 3


Discard

Fading Argonaut(2/3a)
Neo Plexus(2/2)
Temporal Research
Temporal Distortion
Hired Stomper


Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid, float stolen - ($7)
Worker - ($6)
Battlesuits - ($4)
Neo trades SL
Mox kills dog
Argonaut - ($1)
Tech lab - ($0)

Float ($0)
Discard 1, draw 3


Board Info:
In Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader: Argonaut(4/4a)
  • :psfist: Elite:
  • :ps_: Scavenger:
  • :pschip: Technician:
  • :target: Lookout:

In Play:

  • Hardened Mox(2/1) indestructible
  • Battle Suits

Buildings:

  • :heart: Base HP: 20
  • :heart: Tech I HP: 5
  • :heart: Tech Lab HP: 4

Economy Info:
Cards:

  • Hand: 3
  • Deck: 0
  • Disc: 5

Gold:

  • Gold: 0
  • Workers: 8

I figured whether i had the gold float by my turn or not i probably wasn’t making a tech 2 as wouldn’t be drawing many after reshuffle so might as well go for a big boy argonaut

Yes, just give me some time to think in the game again. Dreamfire currently gives me enough to think.

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Ok, you put it back to my thoughts and I had to think about it. Found a fast solution almost missed that one. Actually I thought turn 4 lethal is not possible. Maybe against someone doing major mistakes. But you had solid purple play. The only issue I saw was, that you gave me a very small second cycle against a maxband hero, which is more a very advanced mistake.

P1T4

P1 [Anarchy]/Blood/Fire vs. P2


Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
Crash Bomber (2/2)
Lobber (2/2)


STARTING HAND
Makeshift Rambaster (1/2)
Mad Man (1/1)
Bloodrage Ogre (3/2)
War Drums
Pillage
Gunpoint Taxman (3/3)


WORKERS
Careless Musketeer (2/1)
Scorch
Bloodburn


NextHand

War Drums
Charge
Gunpoint Taxman (3/3)
Crash Bomber (2/2)


Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid - ($7)
Worker skip
Oger with haste - ($5)
MSR - ($3)
Mad Man - ($2)
War drums - ($0)
Madman trades with SL
GPT, Oger, MSR + Drack deal 24 to your base GG

Float ($0)
Discard 2, draw 2, reshuffle, draw 2


Board Info:
In Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader:
  • :psfist: Elite:
  • :ps_: Scavenger:
  • :pschip: Technician:
  • :target: Lookout:

In Play:

  • Gunpoint Taxman (6/1)
  • Drakk L6 (3/4)
  • Bloodrage Ogre (6/2)
  • Makeshift Rambaster (4/2)
  • War Drums

Buildings:

  • :heart: Base HP: 20
  • :heart: Tech I HP: 5

Economy Info:
Cards:

  • Hand: 4
  • Deck: 5
  • Disc: 0

Gold:

  • Gold: 0
  • Workers: 7

GG WP

Yowch, well played! Drakk be very scary

Thanks for these games, you gave me a chance to think in a real game about teching various Bashing cards.

See you around :slight_smile: