For now I think we should play without Named Units in the deck, there are entries for the cards in the normal places as well which describe normal cards.
Our main problem with them is that there is no simple description which generalises the rules so they become a mess of specific rulings.
If you feel like looking at the general idea and thinking about it go ahead (small details such as how many spells they can cast are free to change) but if not im perfectly happy to play with the normal units.
(The Named versions are underneath the tech 3 cards in the sheet)
STARTING HAND
Arcadian Double
Gentle Giant
Priest
Fantassin
Legionary Heavy
WORKERS
Choose Fate
Dwarven Supplies
Fantassin
NextHand
Angel of Contrition
Pivot
Shining Prince
Underequipped Soldier
Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid - ($6)
Worker - ($5)
Legionary Heavy - ($2)
Arcadian Double, exhaust legionary and make a 3/4 hasty token - ($0)
legionary double and Tariq kill Vandy, tariq to lvl 5, 2dmg
End of turn: Tariq heals 1
Float ($0)
Discard 2, draw 3, reshuffle, draw 1
Board Info: In Patrol:
Squad Leader:
Elite:
Scavenger:
Technician:
Lookout:
In Play:
L5 Tariq(2/3) healing 1, my “healing” is at EoT instead of upkeep, tap to ‘heal’ hand
Legionary Heavy(3/4) patrols: grant adjacent patrollers 1a
Legionary Heavy(3/4) patrols: grant adjacent patrollers 1a
Pivot
Angel of Contrition
Forgive
Mirror Knight
Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid - ($7)
Worker - ($6)
Tech 2 Good - ($2)
Underequipped soldier, give him a shield - ($0)
Tap tariq to draw 5 instead of 4 this turn
Float ($0)
Discard 2, draw 5
Board Info: In Patrol:
Squad Leader: Underequipped Soldier(2/3) shield, i pay one when he dies
Elite:
Scavenger:
Technician:
Lookout:
In Play:
L5 Tariq(2/4) healing 1, my “healing” is at EoT instead of upkeep, tap to ‘heal’ hand
Seems to me the soldier should be “Dies: Generate 1 less gold during your next upkeep”
Also, Arcadian Double is crazy strong compared to charge or manufactured truth, which are the closest similar starter cards. Essentially, both of those cards cost 2 cards, usually, to do what you did. Actually, the same exact effect as what you did would be charge and infinite armor.
P2T4
Tech StartingHand Workers
TECH
Gorgon
Nether Drain
STARTING HAND
Deteriorate
Hooded Executioner
Dark Pact
WORKERS
Jandra, the Negator
Graveyard
Pestering Haunt
Dark Pact
NextHand
Thieving Imp
Cursed Crow
Summon Skeletons
Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid + float - ($9)
Worker - ($8)
Hooded Executioner - ($6)
Tech 2 Disease - ($2)
Make a skeleton - ($1)
For the soldier that is a matter of balancing: atm it’s modelled off fargo who has a situational drawback that, if played around, rarely comes into play. I think with everything else the same generating one less gold next upkeep would make soldier a pretty poor card? But as he is right now he is pretty good…
Incidentally UE soldier’s drawback did change my turn here - I wanted to maxband Tariq after attacking with him, but would’ve had to do it before killing off UE and so would’ve healed hoody when maxbanding Tariq.
Arcadian double is strong, but it’s not the same as charge with infinite armour - charge gives +1atk and can target tech 2s as well. If we’re being picky charge also lets them keep their abilities e.g. if they have flying. That said, arcadian double is our least favourite card in the starter deck; we found the starter deck the hardest to design both in terms of finding new ground compared to the other starters and thematically finding inspiration.
Any suggestions on slightly toning down Double?
WORKERS
Choose Fate
Dwarven Supplies
Fantassin
Shining Prince
Gentle Giant
NextHand
Forgive
Underequipped Soldier(2/3) shield, i pay one when he dies
Doomed Peasant(1/1) dies: summon (0/1) undead token
Legionary Heavy(3/4) patrols: grant adjacent patrollers 1a
Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid - ($8)
Worker - ($7)
Blessed Troops - ($4)
Priest - ($2)
Tariq hits SQL
Hire Cat - ($0)
UE soldier trades with SQL, no money left to pay his family
Tariq heals 1
Float ($0)
Discard 2, reshuffle, draw 4
Board Info: In Patrol:
Squad Leader: Priest(3/3a) pay 1+ tap to heal or deal 2dmg
Elite:
Scavenger:
Technician: Blessed Troops(4/5) healing X, X=dmg chits on this
Lookout:
In Play:
L5 Tariq(2/2) healing 1, my “healing” is at EoT instead of upkeep, tap to ‘heal’ hand
Your discard got rid of my possibly game-deciding card xd
P1T6
Tech StartingHand Workers
TECH
Assign nemesis
Forgive
STARTING HAND
Legionary Heavy(3/4) patrols: grant adjacent patrollers 1a
Doomed Peasant(1/1) dies: summon (0/1) undead token
Forgive
Underequipped Soldier(2/3) shield, i pay one when he dies
WORKERS
Choose Fate
Dwarven Supplies
Fantassin
Shining Prince
Gentle Giant
Underequipped Soldier(2/3) shield, i pay one when he dies
So one of the traps of making a fan game is saying “its basically balanced because this other card does a similar effect.” Its a trap, because you can end up cherry picking cards to compare to, without looking at the whole. Like, if you end up comparing all your starter cards with deteriorate, charge, manufactured truth, grappling hook, or Rampant Growth, you might get a sense of those being middle of the road in power, instead of being at the high end of power level.
Cat appears to have the wrong attack value, as it goes back down to 2 at max on the spreadsheet.
P2T6
StartingHand Workers
STARTING HAND
Sacrifice the Weak
Cursed Ghoul
WORKERS
Jandra, the Negator
Graveyard
Pestering Haunt
Dark Pact
Summon Skeletons
Mm that is good advice. Comparing all the starter cards to pre-existing ones was an exercise I hadn’t done before as I’d mostly had practice justifying the higher power cards (which I could do by cherry picking other starters’ higher-power cards ofc). Overall I don’t think Grey starter is overly powerful atm, but probably on the higher end of starter decks as I found myself slightly more often using other starter decks’ “good” cards as comparisons.
P1T7
Tech StartingHand Workers
TECH
Saint of Swords
Saint of Swords
STARTING HAND
Angel of Contrition
Mirror Knight
Pivot
Arcadian Double
WORKERS
Choose Fate
Dwarven Supplies
Fantassin
Shining Prince
Gentle Giant
Underequipped Soldier(2/3) shield, i pay one when he dies
NextHand
Saint of Swords
Arcadian Double
Angel of Contrition
Goblinfire
Angel of Contrition
Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid + float - ($12)
Tech 3 - ($7)
Mirror Knight, tbh i think this is on the fence of costing 5 - he is big but also poor in attack - ($3)
Troops and Cat kill Ghoul take 4 each
STARTING HAND
Poisonblade Rogue
Deteriorate
Nether Drain
WORKERS
Jandra, the Negator
Graveyard
Pestering Haunt
Dark Pact
Summon Skeletons
NextHand
Gorgon
Sacrifice the Weak
Nether Drain
Tech 1 card(s)
Get Paid - ($10)
Cursed Crow kills Cat, Garth to 5
Deteriorate Blessed Troops go POOF
Skeleton pings Mirror Knight’s Armor because he can
Sac Skeleton to Draw
Hint: Always build a tower against maxband Vandy
Vandy taps, discards, and Fetches Metamorphosis, Crow is killed, Vandy and Garth maxbands and become Demons, Garth fetches Cursed Ghoul, puts Rune on MIrror Knight - ($3)
Garth sneaks past knight and breaks your tech 3, base to 15
Heroes Hall - ($1)
Make another Skeleton - ($0)
Oh yeah oops, it’s not quite an instinct for me yet and I stupidly forgot about Vandy’s midband so just didn’t build a tower even though i had the gold xd
P1T8
StartingHand Workers
STARTING HAND
Angel of Contrition
Goblinfire
Arcadian Double
Saint of Swords
Angel of Contrition
WORKERS
Choose Fate
Dwarven Supplies
Fantassin
Shining Prince
Gentle Giant
Underequipped Soldier(2/3) shield, i pay one when he dies
Goblinfire
NextHand
Doomed Peasant(1/1) dies: summon (0/1) undead token
Forgive
Pivot
Saint of Swords
Legionary Heavy(3/4) patrols: grant adjacent patrollers 1a
Discard
Blessed Troops(4/1) healing X, X=dmg chits on this
Angel of Contrition
Arcadian Double
Saint of Swords
Squad Leader:
Elite:
Scavenger: Stepping Stone Villain(1/1) trash this when it dies
Technician:
Lookout:
Base HP: 20
Base HP: 20