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[CAMS22] Round4: P1 Dreamfire [Present]/Peace/Discipline vs P2 Shadow_Night_Black Mono Purple

@Shadow_Night_Black GL HF!

Relevant rule changes: Battle Suits only applies to Purple soldiers and mystics.

P1T1


StartingHand Workers

STARTING HAND
Temporal Research
Forgotten Fighter
Fading Argonaut
Time Spiral
Battle Suits


WORKERS
Forgotten Fighter


NextHand

Hardened Mox
Nullcraft
Neo Plexus
Tinkerer
Plasmodium


Discard

Battle Suits
Temporal Research
Time Spiral


Tech 0 card(s)
Get Paid - ($4)
Worker - ($3)
Fading Argonaut - ($1)

Float ($1)
Discard 3, draw 5


Board Info:
In Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader: Fading Argonaut (2/3A), fading 3
  • :psfist: Elite:
  • :ps_: Scavenger:
  • :pschip: Technician:
  • :target: Lookout:

In Play:
*

Buildings:

  • :heart: Base HP: 20

Economy Info:
Cards:

  • Hand: 5
  • Deck: 0
  • Disc: 3

Gold:

  • Gold: 1
  • Workers: 5
Thoughts

Not a lot of choice in this first hand. I guess I could keep Time Spiral for a bit to mess with Shadow’s stuff?

@Shadow_Night_Black’s turn!

GL HF!

P2T1


StartingHand Workers

STARTING HAND
Plasmodium
Time Spiral
Nullcraft
Battle Suits
Neo Plexus


WORKERS
Plasmodium


NextHand

Hardened Mox
Tinkerer
Fading Argonaut
Forgotten Fighter
Temporal Research


Discard

Time Spiral
Neo Plexus
Battle Suits


Tech 0 card(s)
Get Paid - ($5)
Worker - ($4)
Nullcraft - ($2)
Nullcraft deals 1 to your base

Float ($2)
Discard 3, draw 5


Board Info:
In Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader:
  • :psfist: Elite:
  • :ps_: Scavenger:
  • :pschip: Technician:
  • :target: Lookout:

In Play:

  • Nullcraft (1/1, Flying, Haste)

Buildings:

  • :heart: Base HP: 20

Economy Info:
Cards:

  • Hand: 5
  • Deck: 0
  • Disc: 3

Gold:

  • Gold: 2
  • Workers: 6
Thoughts

So, several game plans here:
Forecast into Past → will beat peace engine into the ground, runs risk of being snowballed out by sparring Partner/Present 2 over running it (although stealing their battlesuits neters Present, and no sensei/aged senei nerfs sparring partner)
Stewardess into Present → Purple tech 0 is super weak to Stewardess (and I don’t have to deal with this! :slight_smile: ) and my present should be better than theirs. Stall into peace might be a problem however.

Given my thoughts from the last peace round, I’m going to go Present (also makes this starting hand a lot less award, as theres nothing I want to worker here if going time span) as that should be slightly less expected.

P1T2


Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
Sparring Partner
Rambasa Twin


STARTING HAND
Hardened Mox
Neo Plexus
Tinkerer
Nullcraft
Plasmodium


WORKERS
Forgotten Fighter
Plasmodium


NextHand

Battle Suits
Rambasa Twin
Temporal Research
Tinkerer
Nullcraft


Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid + float - ($6)
Fargo to fading 2
Worker - ($5)
Tech 1 - ($3)
Hardened Mox - ($0)

Float ($0)
Discard 3, reshuffle, draw 5


Board Info:
In Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader:
  • :psfist: Elite:
  • :ps_: Scavenger:
  • :pschip: Technician:
  • :target: Lookout: Fading Argonaut (2/3), fading 2

In Play:

  • Hardened Mox (1/1)

Buildings:

  • :heart: Base HP: 19
  • :heart: Tech I HP: 5

Economy Info:
Cards:

  • Hand: 5
  • Deck: 3
  • Disc: 0

Gold:

  • Gold: 0
  • Workers: 6
Thoughts

Shadow has loads of ways to mess with my stuff: taking runes from my Fargo, bouncing my Mox, stealing my BSuits or Garrisons… But most likely they’re aiming for an early tech 2, so let’s tech something to make em sweat.

@Shadow_Night_Black’s turn!

P2T2


Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
Stewardess of the Undone
Argonaut


STARTING HAND
Hardened Mox
Temporal Research
Tinkerer
Fading Argonaut
Forgotten Fighter


WORKERS
Plasmodium
Forgotten Fighter


NextHand

Stewardess of the Undone
Temporal Research
Hardened Mox
Battle Suits
Neo Plexus


Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid + float - ($8)
Worker - ($7)
Tech 1 - ($6)
Nullcraft deals 1 to your Tech 1
Fargo - ($4)

Float ($4)
Discard 3, reshuffle, draw 5


Board Info:
In Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader: Fading Argonaut (2/3 + A, Fading 3)
  • :psfist: Elite:
  • :ps_: Scavenger:
  • :pschip: Technician:
  • :target: Lookout:

In Play:

  • Nullcraft (1/1, Flying, Haste)

Buildings:

  • :heart: Base HP: 20
  • :heart: Tech I HP: 5

Economy Info:
Cards:

  • Hand: 5
  • Deck: 3
  • Disc: 0

Gold:

  • Gold: 4
  • Workers: 7
Thoughts

Okay, I am very confused by the Fargo in lookout (I mean, I have no haste at tech 0/1 apart from Now! and nullcraft, and I dont have now! on turn 2… Unless they want it to bait an attack from nullcraft so they can worry less about double void star/omegacron attacks?
Also wondering why they played mox, if they are planning on jugger moxing, have they forgotten that I have stewardess? Or just really hoping Im going for a tech 1 forecast spam and would refuse to pivot at this point?
Very confused at the moment, but I suspect there is something I’m forgetting and will be enlightened in the future (much to my downfall)

P1T3


Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
Training Grounds
Elite Training


STARTING HAND
Tinkerer
Temporal Research
Nullcraft
Battle Suits
Rambasa Twin


WORKERS
Forgotten Fighter
Plasmodium
Temporal Research


NextHand

Sparring Partner
Time Spiral
Neo Plexus
Nullcraft
Training Grounds


Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid - ($6)
Fargo to fading 1
Worker - ($5)
Rambasa Twin, other Twin arrives - ($1)

Float ($1)
Discard 3, draw 3, reshuffle, draw 2


Board Info:
In Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader: Fading Argonaut (2/3A), fading 1
  • :psfist: Elite:
  • :ps_: Scavenger: Rambasa Twin (3/2)
  • :pschip: Technician: Rambasa Twin (3/2)
  • :target: Lookout: Hardened Mox (1/1)

In Play:
*

Buildings:

  • :heart: Base HP: 19
  • :heart: Tech I HP: 4

Economy Info:
Cards:

  • Hand: 5
  • Deck: 3
  • Disc: 0

Gold:

  • Gold: 1
  • Workers: 7
Thoughts

Oof, that’s a lot of float.

@Shadow_Night_Black’s turn!

P2T3


Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
Hyperion
Tricycloid


STARTING HAND
Temporal Research
Stewardess of the Undone
Neo Plexus
Battle Suits
Hardened Mox


WORKERS
Plasmodium
Forgotten Fighter
Hardened Mox


NextHand

Hyperion
Tinkerer
Battle Suits
Argonaut
Time Spiral


Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid + float - ($11)
Worker - ($10)
Tech 2 (Present) - ($6)
Stewardess, Bounce Mox - ($2)
Nullcraft pings Tech 1

Float ($2)
Discard 3, draw 3, reshuffle, draw 2


Board Info:
In Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader: Fading Argonaut (2/3 + A, Fading 2)
  • :psfist: Elite:
  • :ps_: Scavenger:
  • :pschip: Technician: Stewardess of the Undone (2/3)
  • :target: Lookout:

In Play:

  • Nullcraft (1/1, Flying, Haste)

Buildings:

  • :heart: Base HP: 20
  • :heart: Tech I HP: 5
  • :heart: Tech II HP: 5 (Present)

Economy Info:
Cards:

  • Hand: 5
  • Deck: 3
  • Disc: 0

Gold:

  • Gold: 2
  • Workers: 8
Thoughts

A lot of gold spent by Deamfire to do basically nothing? (fargo had no value, mox was bounced, they’re not going for Peace with a rambasa tech, and they have very little pressure atm)
Just going to keep on moving towards tech 2, shouldn’t be too hard to get multiple tech breaks with the nullcraft setup here

P1T4


Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
Now!
Young Lightning Dragon


STARTING HAND
Neo Plexus
Time Spiral
Sparring Partner
Nullcraft
Training Grounds


WORKERS
Forgotten Fighter
Plasmodium
Temporal Research
Hardened Mox


NextHand

Battle Suits
Nullcraft
Tinkerer
Elite Training
Now!


Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid + float - ($8)
Fargo fades away
Worker - ($7)
Sparring Partner - ($6)
Tech 2 (Discipline) - ($2)
Neo Plexus - ($0)

Float ($0)
Discard 3, draw 3, reshuffle, draw 2


Board Info:
In Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader: Rambasa Twin (3/2A)
  • :psfist: Elite: Neo Plexus (3/2)
  • :ps_: Scavenger: Rambasa Twin (3/2)
  • :pschip: Technician: Sparring Partner (2/2)
  • :target: Lookout:

In Play:
*

Buildings:

  • :heart: Base HP: 19
  • :heart: Tech I HP: 3
  • :heart: Tech II HP: 5 (Discipline)

Economy Info:
Cards:

  • Hand: 5
  • Deck: 4
  • Disc: 0

Gold:

  • Gold: 0
  • Workers: 8
Thoughts

Mox was a bad idea. If I’d played Plexus instead way back on T2, the float would’ve been helpful now. If Shadow drew Hyperion+TD, this game is done.

@Shadow_Night_Black’s turn!

P2T4


Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
Now!
Temporal Distortion


STARTING HAND
Argonaut
Time Spiral
Tinkerer
Hyperion
Battle Suits
Tricycloid


WORKERS
Plasmodium
Forgotten Fighter
Hardened Mox
Tinkerer


NextHand

Fading Argonaut (2/3 + A, Fading 1)
Temporal Research
Neo Plexus
Tricycloid
Time Spiral


Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid + float - ($10)
Hyerpion - ($5)
Hyperion, kills SL, I Draw, Twin to Codex
Fargo trades with Scav,
Stewardess kills Tech
Nullcraft pings Tech 2
Argonaut - ($2)
Worker - ($1)

Float ($1)
Discard 3, draw 2, reshuffle, draw 3


Board Info:
In Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader: Argonaut (3/4 + A, Readiness)
  • :psfist: Elite:
  • :ps_: Scavenger:
  • :pschip: Technician:
  • :target: Lookout:

In Play:

  • Nullcraft (1/1, Flying, Haste)
  • Hyperion (4/2, Haste, Attack: Draw)
  • Stewardess of the Undone (2/1)

Buildings:

  • :heart: Base HP: 20
  • :heart: Tech I HP: 5
  • :heart: Tech II HP: 5 (Present)

Economy Info:
Cards:

  • Hand: 5
  • Deck: 3
  • Disc: 0

Gold:

  • Gold: 1
  • Workers: 9
Thoughts

Lets get the Present ball rolling, mostly clear board, Discipline isn’t the best of the rebound, so no big suprises there (Now!'d lightning dragon would be the worst, but that either breaks tech 2 or kills hyp and then I just roll them over)
Not being greedy with the Battlesuits over Argonaut, should basically gaurntee the hyperion living (which is basically death if it does, TD + Max geiger is going to kill basically everything)
Shame about the Tric draw, would have been nice to gaurntee it next hand, will just have to settle for almost gaurnteed

P1T5


Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
Mind-Parry Monk
Ready or Not


STARTING HAND
Tinkerer
Battle Suits
Elite Training
Now!
Nullcraft
Time Spiral


WORKERS
Forgotten Fighter
Plasmodium
Temporal Research
Hardened Mox


NextHand

Rambasa Twin
Training Grounds
Neo Plexus
Fading Argonaut
Young Lightning Dragon


Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid + scav + technician - ($9)
Geiger - ($7)
Grave, to midband - ($3)
Now! on Grave - ($2)
Grave and Plexus kill Argonaut
Nullcraft, kills Stewardess - ($0)

Float ($0)
Discard 4, draw 3, reshuffle, draw 2


Board Info:
In Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader: Grave lvl 3 (3/1A)
  • :psfist: Elite:
  • :ps_: Scavenger: Geiger lvl 1 (2/3)
  • :pschip: Technician:
  • :target: Lookout:

In Play:

  • Nullcraft (1/1)

Buildings:

  • :heart: Base HP: 19
  • :heart: Tech I HP: 3
  • :heart: Tech II HP: 4 (Discipline)

Economy Info:
Cards:

  • Hand: 5
  • Deck: 8
  • Disc: 0

Gold:

  • Gold: 0
  • Workers: 8
Thoughts

Really needed to draw YLD here. Pretty sure I lose both tech buildings now, and die a turn or two later.

@Shadow_Night_Black’s turn!

P2T5


Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
Now!
Promise of Payment


STARTING HAND
Neo Plexus
Temporal Research
Time Spiral
Tricycloid
Fading Argonaut (2/3 + A, Fading 1)
Temporal Distortion


WORKERS
Plasmodium
Forgotten Fighter
Hardened Mox
Tinkerer
Temporal Research


NextHand

Promise of Payment
Battle Suits
Fading Argonaut (2/3 + A, Fading 1)
Now!
Temporal Distortion


Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid + float - ($10)
Geiger - ($8)
Tric - ($3)
Time spiral Tric - ($2)
Tric pings Grave to death and 2 to geiger, Geiger to mid
Nullcraft kills Geiger, Geiger to max Flicker Tric
Hyperion breaks tech 2, I Draw, your base to 17
Tric pings your tech 1 to death, your base to 15
worker - ($1)

Float ($1)
Discard 3, draw 2, reshuffle, draw 3


Board Info:
In Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader: Tricycloid (3/3 + A)
  • :psfist: Elite:
  • :ps_: Scavenger:
  • :pschip: Technician: Geiger (3/4, lvl 5, Sparkshot)
  • :target: Lookout:

In Play:

  • Nullcraft (1/1, Flying, Haste)
  • Hyperion (4/2, Haste, Attack: Draw)

Buildings:

  • :heart: Base HP: 20
  • :heart: Tech I HP: 5
  • :heart: Tech II HP: 5 (Present)

Economy Info:
Cards:

  • Hand: 5
  • Deck: 5
  • Disc: 0

Gold:

  • Gold: 1
  • Workers: 10
Thoughts

No tech, no units bar nullcraft, and two heros dead, pretty sure thats gg.

P1T6


Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
Vigor Adept
Young Lightning Dragon


STARTING HAND
Training Grounds
Young Lightning Dragon
Fading Argonaut
Neo Plexus
Rambasa Twin


WORKERS
Forgotten Fighter
Plasmodium
Temporal Research
Hardened Mox


NextHand

Mind-Parry Monk
Tinkerer
Time Spiral
Sparring Partner
Ready or Not


Discard

Young Lightning Dragon
Fading Argonaut
Neo Plexus
Training Grounds
Rambasa Twin
Vigor Adept
Young Lightning Dragon


Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid + scav - ($9)
Onimaru to maxband, soldiers arrive - ($0)
Nullcraft pings Hyperion
Rebuild tech 1

Float ($0)
Discard 5, draw 5


Board Info:
In Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader: Soldier (1/1A)
  • :psfist: Elite: Onimaur lvl 8 (5/5)
  • :ps_: Scavenger: Soldier (1/1)
  • :pschip: Technician: Soldier (1/1)
  • :target: Lookout:

In Play:

  • Nullcraft (1/1)

Buildings:

  • :heart: Base HP: 15
  • :heart: Tech I HP: 5

Economy Info:
Cards:

  • Hand: 5
  • Deck: 3
  • Disc: 7

Gold:

  • Gold: 0
  • Workers: 8

@Shadow_Night_Black’s turn!

GG!
P2T6


StartingHand Workers

STARTING HAND
Now!
Battle Suits
Temporal Distortion
Promise of Payment
Fading Argonaut (2/3 + A, Fading 1)


WORKERS
Plasmodium
Forgotten Fighter
Hardened Mox
Tinkerer
Temporal Research


NextHand

Stewardess of the Undone (2/1)
Neo Plexus
Now!
Time Spiral
Argonaut (3/4 + A, Readiness)


Discard

Temporal Distortion
Now!
Fading Argonaut (2/3 + A, Fading 1)
Battle Suits
Promise of Payment


Tech 0 card(s)
Get Paid + float - ($11)
Tric kills SL Soldier
Geiger kills Scav and Tech
BattleSuits - ($9)
TD Tric for a Hyperion - ($7)
Older Hyperion trades with Oni
New Hyperion deals 5 to base, base to 10
Tric - ($2)
Now! Tric - ($1)
Tric deals 6 to base, your base to 4
Tric pings and nullcraft deal 4 to your base, gg.

Float ($1)
Discard 5, draw 5


Board Info:
In Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader:
  • :psfist: Elite:
  • :ps_: Scavenger:
  • :pschip: Technician:
  • :target: Lookout:

In Play:

  • Nullcraft (1/1, Flying, Haste)
  • Hyperion (4/2, Haste, Attack: Draw)
  • Tricycloid (3/3 + A)
  • Geiger (3/4, lvl 5, Sparkshot)

Buildings:

  • :heart: Base HP: 20
  • :heart: Tech I HP: 5
  • :heart: Tech II HP: 5 (Present)

Economy Info:
Cards:

  • Hand: 5
  • Deck: 0
  • Disc: 5

Gold:

  • Gold: 1
  • Workers: 10

GG WP! That was a textbook Shadow_Night_Black Present onslaught (c) :grin:

I played right into your gameplan, and I knew I was doing it, but I’m not sure what I should’ve done differently (other than skipping the Mox and drawing a YLD the one turn I could play it).

@FrozenStorm

Yeah, I do not envy your position in the matchup here. Knew the purple mirror completely changed how you normally played the started, but with only one side having past/assimilate? thats just brutal.

honestly? I’m not sure what you could have gone for. I think Discipline tech 2 is too slow as P1, you might have had a chance as P2, but you can’t get threat out quickly as P1 with that starter, and you really can’t punish such a passive opening from me easily.

I think I’m most worried about either the present mirror at tech 2 (I should have the advantage, but a better draw on yourside could overcome that) or just hail marying the Peace engine. I can’t gaurntee a stratergy that demolishes both, so if you get the one I’m not prepared for, then you stand a better chance.

Obviously, there was a lot of gold that you spent early for little profit, I think you either wanted to get aggresive with heros early, or just sit back, wait and float the gold.

In all honesty, even if you draw the YLD and Now! on the turn you could play it, I don’t think it makes a difference at that point, you can take out tech 2 or my hyperion, and I still just run you over with the other one, Tric can easily kill the YLD if needed, or just use Prynn to banish it.

Not sure if the rule changes where the reason you didn’t go for Peace this game, but can’t really make a comment on them given I’m pretty sure you where never going to play battlesuits for fear of giving me two (which is an awesome drug I will say)

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All good points. tbh I was disappointed with this codex, I was hoping to use Spartners to buff Mox and Nullcraft, but literally never got a chance to do it. With that combo not working, and with the nerf to BSuits, there was zero upside to me taking the Purple starter. I definitely would’ve preferred having White, and maybe even Blue.

Jugger Mox is always one of those interesting ideas, but have yet to really see someone make it work. always seems to be a bit too slow and require too many techs/turns to be worth. probably the same reason why immortal sees so little play. A 5/5 that sticks around forever just isn’t that good at tech 2.
I do wonder what the game would be like if tech 2 wasn’t such a big jump in power level from tech 1, would give strats like that more time to shine (don’t know if thats good for the game or not but :person_shrugging: would probably make it last too long)

I’m fairly sure Eric f got a few very strong mox games.

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Zhavier in cams21 as well

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