[CAMS22] Round3: P1 Bryce_The_Rice [Finesse]/Anarchy/Strength vs P2 Penatronic [Finesse]/Disease/Necromancy

Thanks for the catch, Will fix, @Bryce_The_Rice it doesn’t change my turn that much. Unfortunately I’m driving most of this morning and I really can’t do the spreadsheet backtrack on mobile in the car so it’ll be till this afternoon before I can fix it

I need a “this hero is in jail” cell on the sheet!

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Ok fixed: I just removed orpal, moved spitter to tech and floated 2g. Least messing with spreadsheet and state.

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@bryce_the_rice know you’re off to camp but action is to you

Frozen hungers for battle

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Yeah sorry, I’m not at my PC and I’m very busy running things. I will try to find some time.

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Is expecting another turn by Monday acceptable? I don’t want to stall the rest of the tourney further but also can’t easily proceed w/ the new system by guestimating the result like I used to

Do you get very different rounds when you plug in both possible winners?

Yes, that’s the problem of the penalty algorithm and I have absolutely no idea how to deal with that

Ok I’ve made it home, and I’m going to go to bed.
When I wake up, after dealing with anything that comes up immediately, and setting up my computer, I will take a turn.
Sorry for delay. I know it comes around every year but this year I had less time than usual.

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I slept for like fourteen hours, then I admit I spent a few more hours cuddling with my cat who missed me. Even as I type this at my desk, my cat is in my lap.
But enough delay; there is a game to play.


Turn 9

Hand: Granfalloon Flagbearer, Surprise Attack, Pirate Gunship, Steam Tank, Timely Messenger
Workers: Spark, Fruit Ninja, Helpful Turtle, Wither, Entangling Vines, Tenderfoot

Techs

Turn 2: Gunpoint Taxman, Bird’s Nest
Turn 3: Entangling Vines, Gunpoint Taxman
Turn 4: Steam Tank, Steam Tank
Turn 5: Pirate Gunship, Chaos Mirror
Turn 6: Pirate Gunship, Surprise Attack
Turn 8: Disguised Monkey, Disguised Monkey


  1. Technician draw
  2. Tech 0 cards
  3. Get paid (+$10, $11)
  4. Summon Pirate Gunship ($5)
  5. Summon River Montoya ($3)
  6. Summon Steam Tank ($0)
  7. Gunship kills Plague Spitter, you draw
  8. Discard 3, draw 5

  • Patrol:
    :psblueshield:Squad Leader: River Montoya (2/3+A)
    :psfist:Elite:
    :ps_:Scavenger: Steam Tank (3/6)
    :pschip:Technician:
    :target:Lookout:

  • Buildings:
    Tech 1: 5
    Tech 2: 5
    Tech 3: 2
    Tower: 4
  • Units/Heroes:
    Pirate Gunship (7/6)
  • Base: 20
  • Other:

Economy:

  • Workers: 10
  • Gold: 0
  • Hand: 5
  • Deck: 3
  • Discard: 6

Hand

Older Brother, Disguised Monkey, Chaos Mirror, Disguised Monkey, Brick Thief

Discard

Pirate Gunship, Steam Tank, Surprise Attack, Granfalloon Flagbearer, Timely Messenger, Gunpoint Taxman

Think

I’m in an unfortunate situation. Executioner is a strong answer to gunship for sure. If he has another and I lose my second gunship, I think the game might just be over. We shall see.

"P2T9


Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
Death and Decay
Death and Decay


STARTING HAND
Nether Drain
Death Rites
Hooded Executioner
Brick Thief (2/1A) resist 1
Nether Drain
Timely Messenger
Death Rites
Gorgon


WORKERS
Spark
Fruit Ninja
Granfalloon Flagbearer
Older Brother (2/2A)
Helpful Turtle
Tenderfoot (3/2)++


NextHand

Plague Spitter (3/3A)
Bloom
Death and Decay
Wither
Plague Spitter (3/3)


Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid + float + tech - ($13)
No Worker
Death Rites - ($9)
Make and sac a skeleton, rs & draw, steam tank sacs, you get 1g - ($8)
Orpal - ($6)
Gorgon trades with River, I draw, you sac, gunship, orpal to lvl3
Ghoul destroys your tower and takes 1, your base takes 2
Garth destroys your tech 3, your base takes 2
Timely messenger, hits your t2 - ($5)
Brick thief, steals one from your t2 and rebuilds my base - ($3)
Hooded executioner breaks your t2, your base to 14.
Maxband orpal - ($0)

Float ($0)
Discard 5, reshuffle, draw 5


Board Info:
In Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader: Brick Thief (2/1A) resist 1
  • :psfist: Elite:
  • :ps_: Scavenger:
  • :pschip: Technician: Orpal L6 (2/5)
  • :target: Lookout:

In Play:

  • Plague Lab #1 (1HP)
  • Plague Lab #2 (3HP)
  • Garth lvl7 (3/3)
  • Cursed Ghoul (4/1)
  • Hooded Executioner (3/3)
  • Timely Messenger

Buildings:

  • :heart: Base HP: 13
  • :heart: Tech I HP: 5
  • :heart: Tech II HP: 5 (Disease)

Economy Info:
Cards:

  • Hand: 5
  • Deck: 1
  • Disc: 6

Gold:

  • Gold: 0
  • Workers: 11
Thoughts

Well that should do it.

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Your card count is off.
You had 5 cards, drew from technician, gorgon and skeleton sac (your hand only shows 6 cards not 8)
You played death rites, messenger and thief

Unless I missed something you should have discarded 5 cards not 3

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I can’t believe I forgot two draws. It should be fixed now, RS was at the skeleton sac

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@Bryce_The_Rice This looks like game from where I sit, you want to continue or shall I move the tourney forward?

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Turn 10

Hand: Older Brother, Disguised Monkey, Chaos Mirror, Disguised Monkey, Brick Thief
Workers: Spark, Fruit Ninja, Helpful Turtle, Wither, Entangling Vines, Tenderfoot

Techs

Turn 2: Gunpoint Taxman, Bird’s Nest
Turn 3: Entangling Vines, Gunpoint Taxman
Turn 4: Steam Tank, Steam Tank
Turn 5: Pirate Gunship, Chaos Mirror
Turn 6: Pirate Gunship, Surprise Attack
Turn 8: Disguised Monkey, Disguised Monkey


  1. Tech 0 cards
  2. Get paid (+$10, $11)
  3. Rebuild Tech 2 ($11)
  4. Summon Garus Rook ($9)
  5. Maxband Rook ($2)
  6. Summon Brick Thief, damage your base 1, heal mine 1 ($0)
  7. Discard 4, draw 3, reshuffle, draw 2

  • Patrol:
    :psblueshield:Squad Leader: Garus Rook lvl 8 (4/6+A)
    :psfist:Elite:
    :ps_:Scavenger: Brick Thief (2/1)
    :pschip:Technician:
    :target:Lookout:

  • Buildings:
    Tech 1: 5
    Tech 2: 5
  • Units/Heroes:
  • Base: 15
  • Other:

Economy:

  • Workers: 10
  • Gold: 0
  • Hand: 5
  • Deck: 10
  • Discard: 0

Hand

Bloom, Gunship Taxman, Bird’s Nest, Disguised Monkey, Pirate Gunship

Discard

Think

Hm well, it does seem likely I am dead. However, rook may just buy me enough time to come back.

"P2T11


StartingHand Workers

STARTING HAND
Plague Spitter (3/3A)
Plague Spitter (3/3)
Gorgon
Wither
Death and Decay


WORKERS
Spark
Fruit Ninja
Granfalloon Flagbearer
Older Brother (2/2A)
Helpful Turtle
Tenderfoot (3/2)++


NextHand

Death and Decay
Gorgon
Timely Messenger (1/1)
Death and Decay
Plague Spitter (3/3)


Tech 0 card(s)
Get Paid - ($11)
Death and decay, each building takes 3 damage, thief dies and you get 1g, rook is now 1/3A - ($3)
Bloom orpal - ($1)
Timely messenger nicks off rooks armor
Orpal gives rook 3 -1/-1 runes, he’s in purgatory
Rest of the team does 12 damage to your base, you’re dead.

Float ($1)
Discard 3, draw 1, reshuffle, draw 4


Board Info:
In Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader:
  • :psfist: Elite:
  • :ps_: Scavenger:
  • :pschip: Technician:
  • :target: Lookout:

In Play:

  • Plague Lab #1 (1HP)
  • Plague Lab #2 (3HP)
  • Garth lvl7 (3/3)
  • Cursed Ghoul (4/1)
  • Hooded Executioner (3/3)
  • Orpal L6 (3/5)+
  • Brick Thief (2/1) resist 1

Buildings:

  • :heart: Base HP: 13
  • :heart: Tech I HP: 5
  • :heart: Tech II HP: 5 (Disease)

Economy Info:
Cards:

  • Hand: 5
  • Deck: 8
  • Disc: 0

Gold:

  • Gold: 1
  • Workers: 11
Thoughts

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Bruhh

@FrozenStorm

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This match to me was a very clear indication that gunship was over nerfed. I recommended obliterate 1 instead of removing it entirely to be a little less heavy with the nerf bat. Still might have lost, but gunship did very little to improve his board position.

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I don’t think that we should put too much weight on this single match when evaluating the nerf on gunship. Only Garth in a winning board state situation can so easily destroy gunships.
And even without obliterate it still is by far the best tech 3 unit when you consider the value:gold ratio. And by “far” I’m heavily leaning on to the side “indefinitely better than anything else”.

Yes slamming down a single gunship does not win you the game anymore, but that’s been exactly what we were aiming for in the first place, right?

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