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RACE #3: YoungBuck (Mono White) vs. Castanietzsche (Mono Blue)


#1

@YoungBuck will be going first against @Castanietzsche. Good luck and have fun!


#2

Hey @Castanietzsche ! Nice to meet you! Looks like we got a classic match up here, GLHF!

#Player 1, Turn 1

Events of Turn:

[details=Starting Hand]
SB
Flag
Primus
Monk
Advice
[/details]

##Events of Turn:

###Upkeep:

  • Get Gold (4)

###Main:

  • Worker (3)
  • Fox Primus (0)

[details=Workers]
Flagbearer
[/details]

  • :pspurpleshield: Patrol as below
  • Discard 3 Draw5
  • Tech 2 cards after your turn

###Board Info:
####Buildings:

  • :heart: Base HP: 20

####In Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader:
  • :psfist: Elite:
  • :pspig: Scavenger:
  • :exhaust: Technician:
  • :target: Lookout:

####In Play:
Fox Primus (2/2, Anti-Air, Frenzy 1)

####Economy Info:

#####Cards:
Hand: 5
Deck: 0
Disc: 3

#####Gold:
Gold: 0
Workers: 5


[details=End of Turn Hand][spoiler]
Sensei
hook
SA
Smoker
Viper
[/details]


[details=My Thoughts][spoiler]
Alright played this match-up against @FrozenStorm a few times, and white was definitely stronger from P1.
Must be careful not to get stuck in hero heavy strategies early as Free Speech shuts that down too well
We will see what he does here!

[/spoiler][/details]


#3

Hi ! Nice to meet you :smile_cat: Good luck and have fun mate !

P2T1

[details=Secrets]

Discard : 0
Hand : Arrest, Lawful Search, Porkhand Magistrate, Traffic Director, Reputable Newsman

Thoughts : Yeah Manufactured Truth and Spectral Aven in second hand ! Perfect ![/details]


Get 5 Gold (5)
Worker (4)
Traffic Director (3)
Quince (1)
Discard 3, Draw 5


[details=Secrets]

Workers : 4 + Porkhand Magistrate

New Hand : Manufactured Truth, Building Inspector, Jail, Bluecoat Musketeer, Spectral Aven[/details]

Board:

Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader:
  • :psfist: Elite: Traffic Director (2/1)
  • :ps_: Scavenger:
  • :exhaust: Technician:
  • :target: Lookout:
    Board : lvl 1 Quince (1/3), Mirror A (0/1)

Base : 20

  • Discard : 3 + Tech
  • Deck : 0
  • Workers : 6

#4

#Player 1, Turn 1

Events of Turn:

[details=Starting Hand]
Smoker
SA
Viper
Hook
Sensei
[/details]

##Events of Turn:

###Upkeep:

  • Get Gold (5)
  • Tech 2 Cards

###Main:

  • Worker (4)
  • Aged Sensei (3)
  • Rook (1)
  • Tech 1 (0)

[details=Workers]
Smoker, Flagbearer
[/details]

  • :pspurpleshield: Patrol as below
  • Discard 3 RS Draw 5
  • Tech 2 cards after your turn

###Board Info:
####Buildings:

  • :heart: Base HP: 20
  • :ps1gem: Tech 1: 5

####In Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader: Rook (2/4+1a L1)
  • :psfist: Elite:
  • :pspig: Scavenger: Sensei (1/1)
  • :exhaust: Technician: Primus (2/2)
  • :target: Lookout:

####In Play:

####Economy Info:

#####Cards:
Hand: 5
Deck: 3
Disc: 0

#####Gold:
Gold: 0
Workers: 6


[details=End of Turn Hand][spoiler]
Hook
Advice
SB
Monk
RT
[/details]


[details=My Thoughts][spoiler]
Alright played this match-up against @FrozenStorm a few times, and white was definitely stronger from P1.
Must be careful not to get stuck in hero heavy strategies early as Free Speech shuts that down too well
We will see what he does here!

[/spoiler][/details]


#5

P2T2

[details=Secrets]

Discard : Spectral Hound, Spectral Flagbearer
Hand : Manufactured Truth, Building Inspector, Jail, Bluecoat Musketeer, Spectral Aven
Thoughts : I think he teched a Bird Nest, let’s kill his Rook then. My gameplan idea is to go for extra-fast Liberty Gryphons (so I chose the Flagbearer). I don’t to try a surprise Dreamscape/Boot Camp combo because I’m fearing Mind Parry monk and invisible ninjas and a Censorship strategy would expose me to a hero-oriented strategy what White is especially good on. Overeager/Garrison would be a bit risky too because of Glourious Ninjas but may worth the try if he techs a lot of targetting things. As Tech II Peace I’d certainly rather rely on Air Hammers and Patriot Gryphon to rush him. I’ll be low on card next turn so let’s try to build a Surplus and not a Tower this game.[/details]


Get 6 Gold (7)
Worker (6)
Manufactured Truth, Mirror becomes a Primus (5)
Quince midbands (3)
Traffic Director suicides on Rook, removing its armor
Mirror suicides on Rook, dealing him three damages because of Frenzy (I forgot that and was about to redo my turn lol)
Quince kills Rook, maxbands and heal
Quince summons Mirror A (1)
Tech I (0)
Discard 3, RS, Draw 5


[details=Secrets]

Workers : 4 + Porkhand Magistrate + Bluecoat Musketeer

New Hand : Reputable Newsman, Manufactured Truth, Jail, Spectral Aven, Spectral Hound

Deck : Arrest, Lawful Search, Traffic Director, Building Inspector, Spectral Flagbearer[/details]

Board:

Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader: lvl 5 Quince (1/5+1)
  • :psfist: Elite:
  • :ps_: Scavenger:
  • :exhaust: Technician:
  • :target: Lookout:
    Board : Mirror A (0/1)

Base : 20

  • Discard : 0 + Tech
  • Deck : 5
  • Workers : 7

#6

#Player 1, Turn 3

Darn MTruth!

Events of Turn:

[details=Starting Hand]
Hook
SA
RT
SM
SB
[/details]

##Events of Turn:

###Upkeep:

  • Get Gold (6)
  • Tech 2 Cards

###Main:

  • Worker (5)
  • Rambasa Twins (1) , second twin arrives from Codex
  • Sensei Taps to give Primus +1/+1a
  • Primus deals 3 dmg to Quince through 1 armor, takes no dmg in return

[details=Workers]
Monk, Smoker, Flagbearer
[/details]

  • :pspurpleshield: Patrol as below
  • Discard 3 Draw 3 RS Draw 2
  • Tech 2 cards after your turn

###Board Info:
####Buildings:

  • :heart: Base HP: 20
  • :ps1gem: Tech 1: 5

####In Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader:
  • :psfist: Elite:
  • :pspig: Scavenger: Rambasa Mario (3/2)
  • :exhaust: Technician: Rambasa Luigi (3/2)
  • :target: Lookout:

####In Play:
Sensei (1/1)
Primus (2/2)

####Economy Info:

#####Cards:
Hand: 5
Deck: 3
Disc: 0

#####Gold:
Gold: 1
Workers: 7


[details=End of Turn Hand][spoiler]
Hook
Advice
SB
Monk
RT
[/details]


[details=My Thoughts][spoiler]
Alright played this match-up against @FrozenStorm a few times, and white was definitely stronger from P1.
Must be careful not to get stuck in hero heavy strategies early as Free Speech shuts that down too well
We will see what he does here!

[/spoiler][/details]


#7

P2T3

[details=Secrets]

Discard : Reteller of Truths, Macciatus the Whisperer
Hand : Reputable Newsman, Manufactured Truth, Jail, Spectral Aven, Spectral Hound
Thoughts : I love Mind Control but with Snapback menacing I really can’t consider this option. I simply have to rush to my Tech III. Snapback is really less avoidable than any Doom Grasp because totally immune to Flagbearer. Hopefully, spending 3 to give me a fresh hero is a good trade for me ![/details]


Get 7 Gold (7)
Worker (6)
Spectral Hound (5), mirrored by Mirror A
Mirror A trades with Luigi, you draw a card
Quince makes a new Mirror A (3)
Reputable newsman, mirrored by Mirror A (1), saying ZERO
Float 1
Discard 4, Draw 2


[details=Secrets]

Workers : 4 + Porkhand Magistrate + Bluecoat Musketeer + Jail

New Hand : Arrest, Traffic Director, Building Inspector, Spectral Flagbearer

Deck : Lawful Search[/details]

Board:

Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader: Spectral Hound (3/3+1)
  • :psfist: Elite:
  • :ps_: Scavenger: Reputable Newsman (0/3) “ZERO”
  • :exhaust: Technician: Reputable Mirror A (0/3)
  • :target: Lookout:
    Board : lvl 5 Quince (1/2)

Base : 20
Tech I : 5

  • Discard : 4 + Tech
  • Deck : 1
  • Workers : 8

#8

#Player 1, Turn 4

Events of Turn:

[details=Starting Hand]
SP
SA
BN
Viper
Hook
Advice
[/details]

##Events of Turn:

###Upkeep:

  • Get Gold (7+1 float)
  • Tech 2 Cards

###Main:

  • Worker (7)
  • Safe Attacking (6)
  • Sets (4)
  • Sensei’s Advice (3) to Rambasa Mario and Aged Sensei
  • Mario kills SQL Hound, survives on 1 hp thru 2 armor
  • Primus kills Scvn Newsman, which also kills TechN Newsman, you get 1g and 1 card
  • Sensei kills Quince safely, Sets to L3
  • Maxband Sets (0)

[details=Workers]
Birds Nest, Smoker, Flagbearer
[/details]

  • :pspurpleshield: Patrol as below
  • Discard 3 Draw 2 RS Draw 3
  • Tech 2 cards after your turn

###Board Info:
####Buildings:

  • :heart: Base HP: 20
  • :ps1gem: Tech 1: 5

####In Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader:
  • :psfist: Elite:
  • :pspig: Scavenger:
  • :exhaust: Technician:
  • :target: Lookout:

####In Play:
Sensei (1/1)
Primus (2/2)
Rambasa Mario (3/1 from1 dmg)
Sets (3/4 L6)
Safe Attacking
####Economy Info:

#####Cards:
Hand: 5
Deck: 3
Disc: 0

#####Gold:
Gold: 0
Workers: 6


[details=End of Turn Hand][spoiler]
FDS
Thunderclap
SB
SP
Viper
[/details]


[details=My Thoughts]
Well that took on a different turn, but with Quince dead and a maxband Sets, Im going to go for it!
[/details]


#9

P2T4


[details=Secrets]

Discard : Eyes of the Chancellor, Spectral Tiger + 6
Hand : Building Inspector, Traffic Director, Arrest, Spectral Flagbearer, Lawful Search
Thoughts : Ouch. I suppose I’ll continue my Tech III rush gameplan ?[/details]


Get 1 gold from Scavenger and 1 card from Technician
Get 8 Gold (10)
Skip worker (10)
Tech II Truth (6)
Tower (3)
Onimaru (1)
Spectral Flagbearer (0)
Discard 4, RS, Draw 5

[details=Secrets]

Workers : 5 + Porkhand Magistrate + Bluecoat Musketeer + Jail

New Hand : Spectral Tiger, Building Inspector, Arrest, Spectral Aven, Lawful Search[/details]

Board:

Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader: lvl 1 Onimaru (2/3+1)
  • :psfist: Elite:
  • :ps_: Scavenger:
  • :exhaust: Technician: Spectral Flagbearer (2/2)
  • :target: Lookout:
    Board :

Base : 20
Tech I : 5
Tech II Truth : 5
Tower : 4

  • Discard : 0 + Tech
  • Deck : 7
  • Workers : 8

#10

#Player 1, Turn 4

Events of Turn:

[details=Starting Hand]
FDS
Viper
Thunder
SP
SB
[/details]

##Events of Turn:

###Upkeep:

  • Get Gold (8)
  • Tech 2 Cards
  • Draw 2 cards from maxband Sets

###Main:

  • Worker (7)
  • Fox Den Students (3) Get 4 hasty invisible ninjas, Pox primus is invisible
  • Fox Viper (1), also hasty and invisible
  • Sensei’s advice to Fox Primus and 1 Ninja
  • Fox primus attacks, detected by tower, kill Oni, takes 1 dmg thru 2 armor
  • Buffed ninja trade with flagbearer, you get 1 card
  • Fox Viper and Rambasa Mario destory Tech 2, Base to 18 hp
  • Sets and 2 hasty ninjas destroy Tech 1, Base to 16 hp, Stes takes 1 dmg
  • Aged Sensei and remaining 1 Hasty ninja take Tower for 2 hp (Tower at 2 hp)

[details=Workers]
SP, Birds Nest, Smoker, Flagbearer
[/details]

  • :pspurpleshield: Patrol as below
  • Discard 3 Draw 1 RS Draw 4
  • Tech 2 cards after your turn

###Board Info:
####Buildings:

  • :heart: Base HP: 20
  • :ps1gem: Tech 1: 5

####In Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader:
  • :psfist: Elite:
  • :pspig: Scavenger:
  • :exhaust: Technician:
  • :target: Lookout:

####In Play:
Sensei (1/1)
Primus (2/1 from 1 dmg)
Rambasa Mario (3/1 from1 dmg)
Viper (2/1)
3 Ninjas (1/1)
Sets (3/3 from 1 dmg L6)

Safe Attacking
####Economy Info:

#####Cards:
Hand: 5
Deck: 3
Disc: 0

#####Gold:
Gold: 0
Workers: 9


[details=End of Turn Hand][spoiler]
FDS
FDS
Shurkien Hail
Hook
Advice
[/details]


[details=My Thoughts]
Well that took on a different turn, but with Quince dead and a maxband Sets, Im going to go for it!
[/details]


#11

P2T5
Setsuki got a damage from Tower, didn’t she ? :slight_smile:
I’m about to concede thought


[details=Secrets]

Discard : Spectral Tiger, Reteller of Truths
Hand : Spectral Tiger, Building Inspector, Arrest, Spectral Aven, Lawful Search, Eyes of the Chancellor (Techn)
Thoughts : Ouch. I’m about to concede there…[/details]


Get 1 card from Technician
Get 8 Gold (8)
Worker (7)
Rebuild Tech I (7)
Building Inspector (6)
Quince (4)
Spectral Aven (2)
Discard 3, Draw 5

[details=Secrets]

Workers : 5 + Porkhand Magistrate + Bluecoat Musketeer + Jail + Arrest

New Hand : Reputable Newsman, Spectral Hound, Reteller of Truths, Manufactured Truth, Traffic Director[/details]

Board:

Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader: lvl 1 Quince (1/3+1)
  • :psfist: Elite: Mirror A (1/1)
  • :ps_: Scavenger:
  • :exhaust: Technician: Building Inspector (1/1)
  • :target: Lookout:
    Board : Spectral Aven (2/2)

Base : 16
Tech I : 5
Tech II Truth : destroyed
Tower : 2

  • Discard : 4 + Tech
  • Deck : 1
  • Workers : 9

#12

Correct! Sorry about that, forget that swift strike doesnt apply to the tower. Editted

#Player 1, Turn 5

Events of Turn:

[details=Starting Hand]
FDS
FDS Shuriken
Advice
Hook
[/details]

##Events of Turn:

###Upkeep:

  • Get Gold (9)
  • Tech 2 Cards
  • Draw 2 cards from maxband Sets

###Main:

  • FDS x 2 (1) Get 8 ninjas, all ninjas invisible again
  • Shuriken hail (0) Mirror and Inspector die, you get 1 card, Armor peeled off Quince
  • Rambasa Mario trades with Quince, levels fizzle
  • Sets (3) Primus (3) Viper (2) and 8 Ninjas (8) destory your base

GG WP! I’ve played this match up a few times with @FrozenStorm, and we always had a hell of a time getting a P2 win from Blue side. I feel like to have to hit good draws and play perfectly to make it work, but then again I am a terrible blue player. Any tips playing your side?


#13

Wow well played ! gg :smile_cat:
It’s my first time facing a Fox Den’s Students strategy, and I’ve yet to think about it !
I think that my first turns were ok (Bird Nest hits hard as Blue, Elite Training costs a card and Onimaru is especially bad against Snapback ! I was happy to deal with Rook !).
About the third turn, I think I did right about patrolling both mirrored Newsmen. If I patrolled only the mirrored one, a single snapback would have made me instant-loose the game.
But my turn 3 tech choice was terrible, I should have teched 2*Judgment Day at turn 3, but it wouldn’t have been enough because Setsuki would have been intact.

I’d love some advice from experienced players to understand my errors in this game !

As Mono-Blue I feel so weak against hero-based strategies, but there must be some tricks there.
Free Speech costs a card and its effect lasts only one turn… But maybe should I tech it more often thought. Or Jurisdiction at least ?


#14

Match finished ! YoungBuck wins :slight_smile:
@EricF


#15

You bring up a great point about your Newsman Patrol. Initially, I thought it was a huge mistake, but I didnt even think about Snapback! You might have been better off NOT copying the Newsman, patrolling the Mirror, and BF the Newsman. Sure it leaves Quince Vulnerable, but I still wouldnt be able to hook the mirror, so I’d lose an attacker to him. Really tough patroller choices overall though!

Only thing I can say about this match up is that the very few times @FrozenStorm or myself have won in the P2 position with Blue was when we drew perfect combos of Free Speech/Injunction/Juristiction. I think especially against Hero strategies, Free Speech has always been a huge crutch of mine. Frozen has used Injuction quite effectively as well. Sure, they cost a card, but relatively cheap and give you the breathing room Blue needs to get to their tasty Tech 2 and Hero Spells


#16

Blue is very hard to play as going second, in my experience, ESPECIALLY against effective aggro heroes.

Free Speech is always a good tech against Black and White; despite it only lasting one turn, it can give you just enough space to get a tech 2 plan online (which is where Blue really shines).

Also an earlier tower is almost essential for Blue P2 in my experience: I routinely get it down turn 2 unless my hand is very awkward to make it work.

Overall I think you did reasonably well, just needed Free Speech and Judgement Day as you identified :slight_smile:


#17

I disagree on the patrol move turn 3 as well: I think if you had not attacked w/ the mirror hound and SQL it, NOT copied the newsman and just patrolled a 0/1 mirror next to the real hound, you’d have forced him into bad trades no matter what.

Also I don’t think planning your patrol around the potential your opponent has drawn a certain card overwrites patrolling where your opponent can beat you badly just with what’s on the board. Youngbuck had a great play to make with nothing additional from his hand the way you patrolled: you might as well roll the dice he doesn’t have Snapback in hand and let him take a better trade if he does. You at least have upside that you come out ahead if he doesn’t have it :wink:


#18

@YoungBuck @FrozenStorm Thanks :smiley_cat:
The more I think about it, the more I agree with you about spells especially Free Speech.
And +1 for the vanilla patrolling mirror too !

As P2 Blue what were your turn2 and 3 tech choices ?
I never know what to tech as Mono-Blue :scream_cat:
Tax Collector’s card valuation drives me made every single game !

@FrozenStorm about your last post, I didn’t patrol the mirrored Spectral hound because I was afraid of Snapback. But you may be right here too, as Snapback would cost him a card + 3 gold and give me a new fresh hero. What is more I didn’t have any Truth spell so I could have adapted my strategy very easily.


#19

As P2, I’ve been teching Scribe / Hound + Free Speech / Injunction turn 2, and Overeager Cadet x 2 / A Garrison Turn 3 to go for Peace, or one Overeager Cadet + Scribe/Hound/Free Speech if I’m going for Law / Truth

Scribe is really great as it doesn’t cost a card, and it buys time on defense (or makes for good MTruth fodder to steal an opponent’s T1 hero positives). It also helps you cycle to answers you may have to tech, as Blue has much more specific counters to things and less general “good spells”


#20

@Castanietzsche I’ve found Scribe to be a reliable tech choice early on in addition to Hound. Helps you swing a bigger patrol or get a spell like Free Speech if you dont draw well.

I think Injunction and Free speech are must techs against white though. White’s big stick to swing with at Tech 1 is Rambasas, especially since IPN and Boulder become less attractive with Arrest and MTruth around