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[Custom Characters] Master Midori, Mentor Dragon, and Vandy Anadrose!


#1

What’s that you say? Midori isn’t a custom character? Well, this variant is! I always thought it was a little bit odd that his students, Jaina and Grave, and his rival, Menelker, are all structurally highly similar, “shotos” in fighting game parlance, while Midori is a grappler who does completely his own thing. Hence this variant Midori which came about partly from wanting him to have clearer parallels to the other dragon fighters in the game, and partly from wanting to see if a character with a grappler’s throw distribution and a more aggressive game plan could be balanced.

Master Midori
Mentor Dragon

[details=Game mechanics]
Character Card:
90 HP
4 CP
Normal Throws: 2 CP, X.8 Speed, 6 Damage & KD.
Normal Attacks: 1 CP, X.6 Speed, X Damage.

Innate:
Merciful Master: When you win combat with a card of rank 2 through 10, you may choose to have both you and your opponent return your combat-revealed cards to your hands, and not continue your combo.

Offense Mastery: Opponents don’t draw when they block your normal attacks.

Card Ranks:
2 A/T
3 A/T
4 A/T
5 A/T
*6 A/B
*7 B/D
8 B/D
9 B/T
*10 D/T
J: Dragon Breath, Attack, 2.4 speed, 9 (6) damage, 1 CP Ender
Q: Rising Dragon, Attack, 0.6 speed, 14 (2) damage, Can’t Combo
K: Whirlwind, Attack, +K, 2.2 speed, 8+8(2) damage, 2 CP Ender
A:

  • AA Talon Swoop, Throw, 1.8 speed, 17 damage, Can’t Combo
  • AAAA: Glimpse of the Dragon, Attack, 1.2 speed, 40 damage, Can’t Combo

*6: Dragon Within: When you Block an attack or Joker with this card, search your deck or discard for an ace or face card and put it on top of your deck. This does not return to hand or draw a card from blocking.

*7: Dragon’s Discernment: When you win combat with either side of this card, look at your opponent’s hand.

*10: Flight of the Dragon: When you Dodge an attack or Joker with this card, the next turn your attacks and throws are 2 speed faster, to a minimum of speed 1.0.[/details]

[details=Design comments]

So what’s going on here? Well, a lot of Midori’s face cards and aces should seem familiar. I kept the general outline of his specials as much as I could, but tweaked their stats and repurposed them to fit the “fireball/DP/hurricane kick” mold. That means he still has some of the most damage-efficient single cards in the game. He’s also still relatively slow, which is necessary because between his grappler throws, non-grappler attack spread, high-damage specials and Offense Mastery, his offensive options are all really, really strong. His 6-damage throws and limited ability to combo is an attempt to balance and mitigate that - he has to make the correct calls, and use Merciful Master to keep his few, precious blocks and dodges around. That builds his hand until he finds what he needs to go in hard, but it also allows the opponent to keep their tools - hopefully making for interesting decisions.

His abilities were designed to have interesting interactions with Merciful Master - he might find himself empty dodging on purpose to get an advantage in the next turn, or having to give the opponent their attack back to keep an otherwise non-returning block. His AAAA is tuned low compared to similar moves because I wanted him to have a structural equivalent to DSD and TPoS, but I didn’t want it to be a very practical option for him - lorewise, he has more restraint than Menelker, so his “glimpse” of the dragon he truly is, is less devastating.[/details]

Change log

Version 0.2:

  • Talon Swoop now costs AA to play
  • Dragon’s Discernment is no longer discarded on block.

Second up, a character conceived out of some ideas I had about what could be done with less-explored Yomi design space without adding new resources or complicated specials. The character and the lore was retrofit to the mechanics here, but then the lore helped inspire me to fill in some missing details. Behold:

Vandy Anadrose
Queen of “D”s

[details=Game mechanics]Character Card:
85 HP
5 CP
Normal Throws: 2 CP, X.6 Speed, 7 Damage & KD.
Normal Attacks: 1 CP, X.6 Speed, X Damage.
Innate:
My Time Draws Nigh: At end of turn, you may discard two cards, then draw two cards.

Card Ranks:
2 A/D
3 A/D
4 A/D
5 A/B
*6 A/B
7 B/Demon Ripper, Throw, +Any+Any, 8.6 speed, 7+3+3 damage, KD, 2 CP Ender
8 B/T
9 B/T
10 D/T
*J: Eleventh Hour, Attack, 6.6 speed, 13 (3) damage, 3 CP Ender
Q: Queen’s Gambit, Attack, +Any+Any, 0.2 speed, 1+6+6 damage, 3 CP Starter
K: Rush of Wraiths, Attack, 2.4 speed, 6 (2) damage, 1 CP Linker
A:

  • *AA Wake the Dead, Attack, 1.0 speed, 13 (1) damage, 2 CP Starter
  • AA Danse Macabre, Attack, 1.0 speed, 20 (3), 3 CP Ender

*A: Wake the Dead: If Wake the Dead wins combat, continue your combo with cards from your discard instead of your hand. Return those cards to your hand at the end of combat.

*6: Demonic Pact (Draw): Take 5 damage, and return a non-Joker card of your choice from your discard to your hand.

*J: My Time is Now: When you hit and deal damage to your opponent with Eleventh Hour, attach it to your character card. As long as it’s attached, if the game ends in time-out, you win the game (regardless of life totals). Discard all attached Jacks if you are thrown or knocked down.[/details]

[details=Design comments]
This character was basically developed completely around the idea for Wake the Dead, her Ace. Then once I decided what character it would be a good fit for, I supplemented that with ideas from her lore and title as Queen of Ds. The “D”s in question are the discard pile (which she uses as a resource, quite central to her game plan), dodging/dodge punishes (which she does really well), damage (which she deals quite a lot of, possibly too much?) and decking, running herself out of cards to end the game prematurely (and win, either by life lead or by her Jack ability).[/details]

Thoughts?


#2

I didn’t really dig into the minutiae of the characters to decide whether they were balanced or not, but I like the concepts. In fact, it gives me the idea (not sure whether it would be fun or not) to have a high hp/low damage character specifically designed to win by timeout.

EDIT: By having winning combat focusing on removing cards from the opponents decks instead of doing damage, it’d be more like a race for the opponent to put you at a lower life total than him/her before you decked them.


#3

Midori is cool, but I worry he (1) doesn’t have enough blocks to survive, and (2) would never normal throw, since any pair turns into single A, and single A is amazing.


#4
  1. I could make his 7 draw and return when it’s used to block, if you think it’s warranted. I knew I’d given him a lot of strong stuff, so I didn’t want to overpower him.

2). Good point! Single A doesn’t knock down though, and normal throw leads into more damage and can be used to build hand with Merciful Master. So it seems like they would still have some uses.


#5
  1. Having a re-usable tutor-block that you can’t beat with block/dodge would be pretty crazy. For contrast, Rook has 2 ability blocks and then 4 additional ranks of blocks, and the number of games where you start with no normal blocks in hand is still non-zero. I think only Jaina has as few ranks of block as this version of Midori.

  2. I don’t know that this version of Midori cares much about KD when he can deal 17 damage with any pair. Just consider that hitting with 3 single As deals 11 more damage than AAAA, and is also way easier to have access to consistently.

edit: I didn’t realize his AAAA was an attack. That means I’m going to be playing single A waaaaaay more often. My first instinct would be to play this character with a 100% blodge/A/Q range.


#6

The tutor is the 6, I was talking about the 7, the hand-reveal. :slight_smile:

And I understand you here as saying I need to nerf single A. You’re probably right, but I’m resisting because I really want it to have the same stats as original flavor Midori’s dragon king (being a 17 damage, can’t combo throw, in particular.) Do you have a suggestion for a good nerf? I could make it cost AA to play, for example?


#7

Most other single A attacks deal ~10 damage, iirc. Maybe make it an AA throw as the nerf?


#8

Ah okay, that might be alright.

Make it an AA move that deals 20, can’t combo, and I probably press it less. He’s not supposed to be a grappler, after all.


#9

By the way, why specifically X.8 speed normals + Offensive Mastery? If he had a really devastating combo starter I could maybe understand it, but normals are risky outside of the early game, most of the time. I don’t think it would be weird to give him X.6 or X.4 normals.


#10

He has .6 speed normals, it’s his throws that are .8. :slight_smile:


#11

In my defense, it’s literally impossible to read in Yomi. :wink:


#12

Midori’s A throw now costs AA, Midori’s 7 now isn’t discarded on block.

Anyone have any comments on Vandy?


#13

Nothing seems out and out busted about her at a glance. Her Wake the Dead means she has guaranteed max damage punishes in the mid-game, consistently, which might be a problem, since the discard is infinite, but Jokers are not.

She would need a hell of a lot of play testing, is my sense just from reading her stats. It could be that her innate allows her to cycle for pairs/triples too consistently, and so her Aces would need to be more expensive (maybe AAA moves instead of AA) or less damage efficient (maybe 3CP instead of 2CP). But nothing jumps out at me. She seems interesting!

The fact that she has bad throws (fastest throw is 8.6) is neat, but might be too big a drawback. Might want to make Demon Ripper her 9.


#14

What do you think about making her throws .4, but keeping Demon Ripper on the 7?
Edit: Disregard this post, that was a bad idea. Moving the special is better if a change is needed.


#15

imo having no 7.X throw would be p bad against chars like gloria or perse that could basically checkmate her throw options and recur their 7s


#16

Also, Quince - the Truth-Teller! :codexquince:


#17

That Vandy seems really fun. I like the slow throws. She seems pretty good the way she is. Not too overpowered or complicated, but she needs lots of clever play. I love it.

Midori is okay, but he’s not very exciting.