Stokes [Necro]/Demon/Finesse vs Zhavier [Monoblue]

Shadow Blade discards before he draws from his Technician dying, according to an official ruling from sharpobject. That ruling isn’t in the Database yet, but there was a long discussion about it in the Rules Questions thread if you want to look that up.

@Hobusu Thanks, I figured there was a ruling on that, but I wasn’t sure.

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That only applies if you shadow blade the technician. In this case I draw before.

I am also annoyed I thought I had changed my patrol to put Newsman behind and Cadet in tech, but oh well.

And standard practice is for the random discard number to come from you.

I’ll post my turn later

P2T5


Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
Spectral Tiger
Spectral Roc


STARTING HAND
Free Speech
Overeager Cadet
Macciatus, the Whisperer
Eyes of the Chancellor
Bluecoat Musketeer


WORKERS
Porkhand Magistrate
Spectral Aven
Jail
Building Inspector


NextHand

Manufactured Truth
Reteller of Truths


Discard

Lawful Search
Arrest
Traffic Director
Overeager Cadet
Reputable Newsman
Bluecoat Musketeer
Spectral Tiger
Spectral Roc
Free Speech


Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid + scav - ($9)
Eyes of the Chancellor, you play with your hand revealed - ($6)
Quince - ($4)
Macciatus the Whisperer, tap Eyes to make him invisible - ($2)
Free Speech - ($0)
Overeager Cadet

Float ($0)
Discard 0, draw 2


[B]Board Info:[/B]
[B]In Patrol:[/B]

  • :psblueshield: [I]Squad Leader[/I]: Mirror 1/2+A
  • :psfist: [I]Elite[/I]:
  • :ps_: [I]Scavenger[/I]: Overeager Cadet 2/2
  • :pschip: [I]Technician[/I]: Quince 1/3, lvl 1
  • :target: [I]Lookout[/I]:
    [B]In Play:[/B]
  • Eyes of the Chancellor
  • Macciatus, the Whisperer 3/3
    [B]Buildings:[/B]
  • :heart: Base HP: 20
  • :heart: Tech I HP: 4
  • :heart: Tech II HP: 1 (Truth)

[B]Economy Info:[/B]
[B]Cards:[/B]

  • Hand: 2
  • Deck: 0
  • Disc: 9
    [B]Gold:[/B]
  • Gold: 0
  • Workers: 9

Note that revealed means I get to see any draws and what you worker.

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P1T6


STARTING HAND
Sacrifice the Weak
Soul Stone
Twilight Baron
Shadow Blade

Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
Zarramonde
Gargoyle


STARTING HAND
Sacrifice the Weak
Soul Stone
Twilight Baron
Shadow Blade


WORKERS
Poisonblade Rogue
Jandra, the Negator
Skeletal Archery
Summon Skeletons
Graveyard
Soul Stone


NextHand

Twilight Baron
Dark Pact
Appel Stomp
Metamorphosis


Discard

Skeleton Javelineer
Thieving Imp
Harmony
Shadow Blade
Sacrifice the Weak
Zarramonde
Gargoyle


Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid - ($9)
Worker Soul Stone - ($8)
Skeleton Javelineer dies at my upkeep
Sacrifice Harmony to “flip over” Dancers, turning them into Angry Dancers (2/1 Unstoppable)
Both Dancers attack and destroy your Tech I
Pestering Haunt attacks and destroys your Tech II
River kills the Mirror Illusion
Vandy kills Quince
Imp trades with Overeager Cadet
Build tower - ($5)
Summon Twilight Baron - ($1)

Float ($1)
Discard 2, draw 4


[B]Board Info:[/B]
[B]In Patrol:[/B]

  • :psblueshield: [I]Squad Leader[/I]: Twilight Baron (4/4+A, Overpower)
  • :psfist: [I]Elite[/I]:
  • :ps_: [I]Scavenger[/I]:
  • :pschip: [I]Technician[/I]:
  • :target: [I]Lookout[/I]:
    [B]In Play:[/B]
  • Pestering Haunt (1/1, Unstoppable)
  • Vandy Lv. 5 (4/4)
  • River Lv. 5 (3/3)
  • Angry Dancer#1 (2/1, Unstoppable)
  • Angry Dancer#2 (2/1, Unstoppable)
    [B]Buildings:[/B]
  • :heart: Base HP: 18
  • :heart: Tech I HP: 5
  • :heart: Heroes’ Hall HP: 4
  • :heart: Tower HP: 4

[B]Economy Info:[/B]
[B]Cards:[/B]

  • Hand: 4
  • Deck: 1
  • Disc: 7
    [B]Gold:[/B]
  • Gold: 1
  • Workers: 10

Next Hand:
Twilight Baron
Dark Pact
Appel Stomp
Metamorphosis

GG, I will concede here. I’ll post a turn one later.

GG. I read more on the black v blue matchup discussion, and I can see how it can be a difficult one in the early turns, although I think you played well.

Would you like to continue playing the black/finesse vs blue or would you like to switch it up? I usually enjoy black the most but I have others I like playing too.

I’d like another stab at this matchup, but really I’m just trying to play a bunch of mono blue to get a better sense of it, so you can play whatever, though I need to know if you change for how I would play my opening hand.

That sounds good. I’ll continue to play the same Codex then to give you the practice. I expect you will find this or similar matchups often anyways.

"P1T1


StartingHand Workers

STARTING HANDJail
Porkhand Magistrate
Traffic Director
Spectral Aven
Reputable Newsman


WORKERS
Spectral Aven


NextHand

Building Inspector
Lawful Search
Arrest
Manufactured Truth
Bluecoat Musketeer


Discard

Porkhand Magistrate
Jail
Reputable Newsman


Tech 0 card(s)
Get Paid - ($4)
Worker - ($3)
Onimaru - ($1)
Traffic Director - ($0)

Float ($0)
Discard 3, draw 5


[B]Board Info:[/B]
[B]In Patrol:[/B]

  • :psblueshield: [I]Squad Leader[/I]:
  • :psfist: [I]Elite[/I]:
  • :ps_: [I]Scavenger[/I]:
  • :pschip: [I]Technician[/I]:
  • :target: [I]Lookout[/I]:
    [B]In Play:[/B]
  • Onimaru 2/3+A
  • Traffic Director 1/1, untargetable
    [B]Buildings:[/B]
  • :heart: Base HP: 20

[B]Economy Info:[/B]
[B]Cards:[/B]

  • Hand: 5
  • Deck: 0
  • Disc: 3
    [B]Gold:[/B]
  • Gold: 0
  • Workers: 5

P2T1


StartingHand Workers

STARTING HAND
Poisonblade Rogue
Jandra, the Negator
Thieving Imp
Skeletal Archery
Summon Skeletons


WORKERS
Poisonblade Rogue


NextHand

Skeleton Javelineer
Deteriorate
Sacrifice the Weak
Graveyard
Pestering Haunt


Discard

Summon Skeletons
Thieving Imp
Skeletal Archery


Tech 0 card(s)
Get Paid - ($5)
Worker - ($4)
Summon Jandra, the Negator - ($1)

Float ($1)
Discard 3, draw 5


[B]Board Info:[/B]
[B]In Patrol:[/B]

  • :psblueshield: [I]Squad Leader[/I]: Jandra, the Negator (3/3+A)
  • :psfist: [I]Elite[/I]:
  • :ps_: [I]Scavenger[/I]:
  • :pschip: [I]Technician[/I]:
  • :target: [I]Lookout[/I]:
    [B]In Play:[/B]

[B]Buildings:[/B]

  • :heart: Base HP: 20

[B]Economy Info:[/B]
[B]Cards:[/B]

  • Hand: 5
  • Deck: 0
  • Disc: 3
    [B]Gold:[/B]
  • Gold: 1
  • Workers: 6
Thoughts

I would have liked to play Imp instead, but then he would get a free kill with Onimaru. I elected to go for Jandra so that he will have a harder time taking her down.

P1T2


Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
Free Speech
Free Speech


STARTING HAND
Building Inspector
Manufactured Truth
Arrest
Bluecoat Musketeer
Lawful Search


WORKERS
Spectral Aven
Lawful Search


NextHand

Manufactured Truth
Free Speech
Porkhand Magistrate
Building Inspector
Jail


Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid - ($5)
Worker - ($4)
Arrest Jandra - ($2)
Heroes’ Hall - ($0)
I hit your base to 16

Float ($0)
Discard 3, reshuffle, draw 5


[B]Board Info:[/B]
[B]In Patrol:[/B]

  • :psblueshield: [I]Squad Leader[/I]:
  • :psfist: [I]Elite[/I]:
  • :ps_: [I]Scavenger[/I]:
  • :pschip: [I]Technician[/I]:
  • :target: [I]Lookout[/I]:
    [B]In Play:[/B]
  • Onimaru 2/3, lvl 1
  • Traffic Director 1/1, untargetable
    [B]Buildings:[/B]
  • :heart: Base HP: 20
  • :heart: Heroes’ Hall HP: 4

[B]Economy Info:[/B]
[B]Cards:[/B]

  • Hand: 5
  • Deck: 4
  • Disc: 0
    [B]Gold:[/B]
  • Gold: 0
  • Workers: 6

P2T2


Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
Bone Collector
Shadow Blade


STARTING HAND
Deteriorate
Skeleton Javelineer
Graveyard
Sacrifice the Weak
Pestering Haunt


WORKERS
Poisonblade Rogue
Graveyard


NextHand

Summon Skeletons
Thieving Imp
Shadow Blade
Sacrifice the Weak


Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid + float - ($7)
Worker - ($6)
Vandy - ($4)
Skeleton Javelineer - ($3)
Tech I - ($2)
Level Vandy to 3 - ($0)
Play Pestering Haunt

Float ($0)
Discard 2, reshuffle, draw 4


[B]Board Info:[/B]
[B]In Patrol:[/B]

  • :psblueshield: [I]Squad Leader[/I]: Skeleton Javelineer (1/1+A, rune)
  • :psfist: [I]Elite[/I]: Vandy (3+1/4, Resist 1)
  • :ps_: [I]Scavenger[/I]:
  • :pschip: [I]Technician[/I]:
  • :target: [I]Lookout[/I]:
    [B]In Play:[/B]
  • Jandra, the Negator (3/3, Arrested)
  • Pestering Haunt (1/1, Unstoppable)
    [B]Buildings:[/B]
  • :heart: Base HP: 20

[B]Economy Info:[/B]
[B]Cards:[/B]

  • Hand: 4
  • Deck: 3
  • Disc: 0
    [B]Gold:[/B]
  • Gold: 0
  • Workers: 7
Thoughts

I can’t deteriorate Traffic Director, which is annoying. I think Jandra + Javelineer is my best play here. I’ll have 3 big scary units ready to attack next turn if he doesn’t push tempo. After Tech I and Worker I’ll have 2 left over, and a lot of options. I can pay 2 to sacrifice the weak, build hero hall, or level Vandy to mid. Sacrifice the Weak shuts down his Building Inspector, but it seems like a bad trade. 3 gold for 1 gold? Heroes’ Hall will add some pressure after next turn, but does not benefit me immediately unless I tech spells for Garth (but Doom Grasp -is- pretty expensive this early, and I’m not sure about Lich Bargain after my base just got hit). On the other hand, Leveling Vandy to mid all but ensures I don’t lose her (barring Manufactured Truth Shenanigans), and it will put immense pressure on him. If I also play Haunt, I will have 4 units that can attack next turn, and a total of 3/3/1/1 attack, up to 4/5/1/1 if I level Vandy first. That is a LOT of damage. I think that’s the play I’m going to go for, and since I’m opting to level Vandy, I think I’m going to tech in some spells too. Reputable Newsman sucks, if he draws it, but if it happens, it happens. I don’t like workering Graveyard, but I need to save the other two spells, they’re too useful.

P1T3


Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
Spectral Hound
Overeager Cadet


STARTING HAND
Manufactured Truth
Free Speech
Porkhand Magistrate
Building Inspector
Jail


WORKERS
Spectral Aven
Lawful Search
Jail


NextHand

Free Speech
Bluecoat Musketeer
Reputable Newsman
Arrest
Spectral Hound


Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid - ($6)
Worker - ($5)
Manufactured Truth TD into Jandra, kills Javelineer and deals 1 to Vandy, dies after reshuffle - ($3)
Quince - ($1)
Oni trades with Vandy, Quince to lvl 3
Tech 1 - ($0)

Float ($0)
Discard 3, draw 4, reshuffle, draw 1


[B]Board Info:[/B]
[B]In Patrol:[/B]

  • :psblueshield: [I]Squad Leader[/I]: Quince 1/4+A, lvl 4
  • :psfist: [I]Elite[/I]:
  • :ps_: [I]Scavenger[/I]: Mirror 0/1
  • :pschip: [I]Technician[/I]:
  • :target: [I]Lookout[/I]:
    [B]In Play:[/B]
  • Traffic Director 1/1
    [B]Buildings:[/B]
  • :heart: Base HP: 20
  • :heart: Tech I HP: 5
  • :heart: Heroes’ Hall HP: 4

[B]Economy Info:[/B]
[B]Cards:[/B]

  • Hand: 5
  • Deck: 5
  • Disc: 0
    [B]Gold:[/B]
  • Gold: 0
  • Workers: 7

Don’t forget that TD is in your discard now, not in play. Also, Quince should be level 3, not 4.

P2T3


Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
Nether Drain
Skeleton Lord


STARTING HAND
Thieving Imp
Summon Skeletons
Sacrifice the Weak
Shadow Blade


WORKERS
Poisonblade Rogue
Graveyard
Thieving Imp


NextHand

Bone Collector
Shadow Blade
Skeletal Archery
Sacrifice the Weak
Deteriorate


Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid - ($7)
Worker - ($6)
Summon Garth - ($4)
Build Tech II (Necromancy) - ($0)
Pestering Haunt kills your Mirror Illusion, you get 1g

Float ($0)
Discard 3, draw 3, reshuffle, draw 2


[B]Board Info:[/B]
[B]In Patrol:[/B]

  • :psblueshield: [I]Squad Leader[/I]: Jandra, the Negator (3/3+A)
  • :psfist: [I]Elite[/I]: Garth (1+1/3)
  • :ps_: [I]Scavenger[/I]:
  • :pschip: [I]Technician[/I]:
  • :target: [I]Lookout[/I]:
    [B]In Play:[/B]
  • Pestering Haunt (1/1, Unstoppable)
    [B]Buildings:[/B]
  • :heart: Base HP: 16
  • :heart: Tech I HP: 5
  • :heart: Tech II (Necromancy) HP: 5

[B]Economy Info:[/B]
[B]Cards:[/B]

  • Hand: 5
  • Deck: 4
  • Disc: 0
    [B]Gold:[/B]
  • Gold: 0
  • Workers: 8
Thoughts

I forgot about the Heroes’ Hall allowing him to get levels on Quince. Still, I actually have more units on the board right now, so I don’t think it’s that bad. I can kill his Mirror, meaning the only thing that can do damage next turn is his Quince. Max band mind control Quince may become a problem, but I’m not sure I want to tech Doom Grasp right now. Difficult tech decisions at the moment. I want another Bone Collector eventually, but I think this turn I’m going to opt for Skeletal Lord + Nether Grasp and tech the second Collector later. I would LOVE to tech Lich’s Bargain to keep up the aggression, but I’m afraid of Justice Juggernaut. I can’t go that route unless I know what he’s teching. I’m going Tech II mostly because I think it will be fun, but also because he’s gone Heroes’ Hall, and Wight is pretty strong against any hero shenanigans.

P1T4


Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
Macciatus the Whisperer
Reteller of Truths


STARTING HAND
Free Speech
Bluecoat Musketeer
Reputable Newsman
Arrest
Spectral Hound


WORKERS
Spectral Aven
Lawful Search
Jail
Bluecoat Musketeer


NextHand

Overeager Cadet
Building Inspector
Porkhand Magistrate
Free Speech


Discard

Traffic Director
Free Speech
Arrest
Reputable Newsman
Macciatus the Whisperer
Reteller of Truths


Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid + Scav - ($8)
Worker - ($7)
Free Speech - ($5)
Maxband Quince and make a Mirror - ($1)
Spectral Hound, mirror copies - ($0)

Float ($0)
Discard 2, draw 4


[B]Board Info:[/B]
[B]In Patrol:[/B]

  • :psblueshield: [I]Squad Leader[/I]: Mirror Hound 3/3+A
  • :psfist: [I]Elite[/I]:
  • :ps_: [I]Scavenger[/I]: Spectral Hound 3/3
  • :pschip: [I]Technician[/I]:
  • :target: [I]Lookout[/I]:
    [B]In Play:[/B]
  • Quince 1/5, lvl 5
    [B]Buildings:[/B]
  • :heart: Base HP: 20
  • :heart: Tech I HP: 5
  • :heart: Heroes’ Hall HP: 4

[B]Economy Info:[/B]
[B]Cards:[/B]

  • Hand: 4
  • Deck: 1
  • Disc: 6
    [B]Gold:[/B]
  • Gold: 0
  • Workers: 8

P2T4


Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
Bone Collector
Skeletal Lord


STARTING HAND
Skeletal Archery
Deteriorate
Bone Collector
Shadow Blade
Sacrifice the Weak


WORKERS
Poisonblade Rogue
Graveyard
Thieving Imp
Shadow Blade


NextHand

Summon Skeletons
Nether Drain
Skeletal Lord
Skeleton Javelineer
Skeletal Archery


Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid - ($8)
Worker - ($7)
Pestering Haunt strips the armor for Mirror Hound and dies
Jandra trades with Mirror Hound
Bone Collector - ($5)
Summon Vandy at Level 3 - ($1)

Float ($1)
Discard 3, draw 4, reshuffle, draw 1


[B]Board Info:[/B]
[B]In Patrol:[/B]

  • :psblueshield: [I]Squad Leader[/I]: Vandy Lv.3 (3/4+A)
  • :psfist: [I]Elite[/I]:
  • :ps_: [I]Scavenger[/I]: Bone Collector (3/3)
  • :pschip: [I]Technician[/I]:
  • :target: [I]Lookout[/I]:
    [B]In Play:[/B]
  • Garth (1/3)
    [B]Buildings:[/B]
  • :heart: Base HP: 16
  • :heart: Tech I HP: 5
  • :heart: Tech II HP: 5 (Necromancy)

[B]Economy Info:[/B]
[B]Cards:[/B]

  • Hand: 5
  • Deck: 6
  • Disc: 0
    [B]Gold:[/B]
  • Gold: 1
  • Workers: 9
Thoughts

Free Speech was a very very timely move. Without it, I would have had a lot of options to clear his board. It feels bad to worker Shadow Blade, but really want to get Skeletal Archery in play. Luckily I can get another Shadow Blade almost whenever I want. The other reason I’m getting rid of my spells here is because I’m afraid that I could get caught in a perpetual Silence / Newsman loop and I’d rather have more units. It’s possible that he opts to Mind Control the Bone Collector to suicide it into Vandy for the kill. That would suck, but what can you do?

Stokes

Mind Control does not give the Bone collector haste and hence he would not be able to attack with it this turn.

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P1T5


Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
Dreamscape
Eyes of the Chancellor


STARTING HAND
Building Inspector
Free Speech
Porkhand Magistrate
Overeager Cadet


WORKERS
Spectral Aven
Lawful Search
Jail
Bluecoat Musketeer


NextHand

Reteller of Truths
Macciatus the Whisperer
Free Speech
Manufactured Truth


Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid - ($8)
Free Speech - ($6)
Onimaru - ($4)
Overeager Cadet
Tech 2, Truth - ($0)

Float ($0)
Discard 2, draw 1, reshuffle, draw 3


[B]Board Info:[/B]
[B]In Patrol:[/B]

  • :psblueshield: [I]Squad Leader[/I]: Spectral Hound 3/3
  • :psfist: [I]Elite[/I]:
  • :ps_: [I]Scavenger[/I]:
  • :pschip: [I]Technician[/I]: Overeager Cadet 2/2
  • :target: [I]Lookout[/I]:
    [B]In Play:[/B]
  • Quince 1/5, lvl 5
  • Onimaru 2/3, lvl 1
    [B]Buildings:[/B]
  • :heart: Base HP: 20
  • :heart: Tech I HP: 5
  • :heart: Tech II HP: 5 (Truth)
  • :heart: Heroes’ Hall HP: 4

[B]Economy Info:[/B]
[B]Cards:[/B]

  • Hand: 4
  • Deck: 8
  • Disc: 0
    [B]Gold:[/B]
  • Gold: 0
  • Workers: 8