[Casual Draft] charnel_mouse vs FrozenStorm

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Game 3, Player 2, Turn 5

P1 [Demon]/Strength/Growth vs P2 [Anarchy/Blood]/Finesse

Starting Hand

Pillage
Disguised Monkey
Bloodrage Ogre
Kidnapping
Steam Tank (techn)

Events of Turn:

Upkeep:

  • Get Gold (9+2float+1scav)
  • Draw 1 techn
  • Tech 2 cards in (except for turn 1)
All Teched Cards

Pirate Gunship x2
Kidnapping, Steam Tank
Disguised Monkey x2
Gunpoint Taxman, Nimble Fencer

Main:

  • Drakk (10)
  • Kidnapping, Boulder is now my boulder, though it is a weak AF -1/5 (6)
  • Run Boulder into Jandra, it dies and goes to your discard (I believe, having read the Kidnapping clarifications)
  • Zane, trade with Vandy, Drakk to level 3 (4)
  • Steam Tank (1)
  • Worker (0)
Workers

Pillage, Makeshift Rambaster, Careless Musketeer, Scorch, Bloodburn

  • :pspurpleshield: Patrol as below
  • Discard 2 Draw 4
  • Tech 2 cards before my next turn

Board Info:

Buildings:

  • :heart: Base HP: 19
  • Tech1 HP: 5
  • Tech2 HP: 5 ANARCHY

In Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader: Steam Tank (3/6+1armor)
  • :psfist: Elite:
  • :pspig: Scavenger:
  • :exhaust: Technician: Drakk (1/3 lvl 3)
  • :target: Lookout:

In Play:

  • nothin

Economy Info:

Cards:

  • Hand: 4
  • Deck: 0
  • Disc: 8

Gold:

  • Gold: 0
  • Workers: 10
End of Turn Hand

Nimble Fencer
Charge
Mad Man
Bombaster

End of Turn Discard

Gunpoint Taxman
Nautical Dog
Disguised Monkey
Pirate Gunship
Pirate Gunship
Kidnapping
Bloodrage Ogre
Disguised Monkey

My Thoughts

This works out much better with him teching up… Especially with me techn-ing the Steam Tank. Kidnapping + Steam Tank + kill Vandy, next turn I can tech up and he’s on permanent Gunship alert. That works to my advantage nicely

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It goes to my Graveyard, looks right otherwise. EDIT: Wait, no, you’re right, sorry. Well, that could be a problem.

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I’m asking in the Rules Thread b/c I’m not 100% certain. It’s a little ambiguous b/c Graveyard reads “A unit of yours”. The unit is owned by you, but controlled by me for the duration of Kidnapping. Kidnapping’s clarification makes the most specific instruction (“If it dies during your turn, it goes to opponent’s discard”), but I can see that being overruled by “a unit of yours” meaning “a unit you own”.

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EricF has an old reply saying it goes to discard, which would be consistent with “your” referring to the controller rather than the owner on other cards. But I’ll wait and see.

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Oh? Where is that? I searched the rules thread for kidnapping + graveyard but didn’t find any previous discussion

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Discard makes sense, so I’ll play on.

P1T6

Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
Dinosize
Dark Pact

STARTING HAND
Galina Glimmer
Gargoyle
Soul Stone

WORKERS
Skeletal Archery
Poisonblade Rogue
Summon Skeletons
Skeleton Javelineer
Pestering Haunt

NextHand

Thieving Imp
Deteriorate
Jefferson DeGrey, Ghostly Diplomat

Discard

Ardra’s Boulder
Soul Stone
Dinosize
Dark Pact

Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid + float - ($10)
Galina Glimmer - ($9)
Gargoyle - ($6)
Argagarg Garg, Wisp arrives - ($4)
Maxband Argagarg, Water Elemental arrives - ($0)
Jandra hits Steam Tank for 4+1A damage, takes 3 damage
Skip worker!

Float ($0)
Discard 1, draw 3

Board Info:
In Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader: Galina Glimmer 4/4+1A (1 gold per 2 green units at upkeep, Mythmaking aura)
  • :psfist: Elite: Argagarg L5 1+1/5
  • :ps_: Scavenger: Wisp 0/1
  • :pschip: Technician: Water Elemental 3/3+1A (anti-air)
  • :target: Lookout:

In Play:

  • Jandra, the Negator 5/2 (overpower, non-demon allied units die on death, Mythmaking aura, 3 damage)
  • Gargoyle 0/2 (indestructible)
  • :heart: Graveyard HP: 3
  • Mythmaking (my legendaries get +2/+2)

Buildings:

  • :heart: Base HP: 19
  • :heart: Tech I HP: 5
  • :heart: Tech II HP: 5 (Strength)
  • :heart: Tower HP: 4

Economy Info:
Cards:

  • Hand: 3
  • Deck: 3
  • Disc: 4

Gold:

  • Gold: 0
  • Workers: 9
Thoughts

This is bad, I really needed the card draw from Technician or Vandy. Hitting the Tank with Jandra leaves her with 3 health and ripe for a Monkey or a Kidnapping, but Kidnapping will kill her anyway since she’d attack into my tower with 2 health. Galina and the Gargoyle leave me with 6 pre-worker, maybe I just tech up now? Or I could block up with maxband Argagarg or midband Rook. The latter is less vulnerable to Jandra being killed, the former helps stop Fencers and Zane from reaching the back line. Wisp and Water Elemental would die if I play DeGrey, but I should be able to get some damage in with them before then. I think I’m more worried about Fencers, leaving a unit alive allows for an easier Two Step.

Delaying Morningstar Pass in favour of Dinosize, I really need an attack on FrozenStorm’s buildings before I completely run out of steam.

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Game 3, Player 2, Turn 6

P1 [Demon]/Strength/Growth vs P2 [Anarchy/Blood]/Finesse

Starting Hand

Nimble Fencer
Charge
Mad Man
Bombaster

Events of Turn:

Upkeep:

  • Get Gold (10)
  • Tech 2 cards in (except for turn 1)
All Teched Cards

Discord, Steam Tank
Pirate Gunship x2
Kidnapping, Steam Tank
Disguised Monkey x2
Gunpoint Taxman, Nimble Fencer

Main:

  • Midband Drakk (9)
  • Mad Man, it and Tank kill Galina (8)
  • Nimble Fencer (6)
  • Tech 3 (1)
Workers

Pillage, Makeshift Rambaster, Careless Musketeer, Scorch, Bloodburn

  • :pspurpleshield: Patrol as below
  • Discard 2 rs Draw 4
  • Tech 2 cards before my next turn

Board Info:

Buildings:

  • :heart: Base HP: 19
  • Tech1 HP: 5
  • Tech2 HP: 5 ANARCHY
  • Tech3 HP: 5

In Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader: Nimble Fencer (2/3+1armor)
  • :psfist: Elite:
  • :pspig: Scavenger:
  • :exhaust: Technician: Drakk (2/3 lvl 4)
  • :target: Lookout:

In Play:

  • nothin

Economy Info:

Cards:

  • Hand: 4
  • Deck: 10
  • Disc: 0

Gold:

  • Gold: 1
  • Workers: 10
End of Turn Hand

Pirate Gunship
Gunpoint Taxman
Steam Tank
Disguised Monkey

End of Turn Discard
My Thoughts

Woof that’s a lot of units… I think I want at least one unit gone and I might as well trade off the Steam Tank so I can replay it. He’ll almost certainly take the Tech 3, so I better tech some stuff to help. The other Steam Tank and a Discord ought to help clear off the board

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P1T7

Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
Stampede
Oathkeeper of Kor Mountain

STARTING HAND
Deteriorate
Thieving Imp
Jefferson DeGrey, Ghostly Diplomat

WORKERS
Skeletal Archery
Poisonblade Rogue
Summon Skeletons
Skeleton Javelineer
Pestering Haunt
Thieving Imp

NextHand

Dark Pact
Gargoyle
Sacrifice the Weak

Discard

Ardra’s Boulder
Soul Stone
Dinosize
Dark Pact
Deteriorate
Jefferson DeGrey, Ghostly Diplomat
Stampede
Oathkeeper of Kor Mountain

Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid - ($9)
Worker - ($8)
Vandy Anadrose - ($6)
Deteriorate, Nimble Fencer is 1/2+1A
Argagarg boosts Jandra
Jandra kills Nimble Fencer and Drakk, you draw, Vandy hits level 3 (midband), my base to 18
Gargoyle activates - ($5)
Galina Glimmer returns - ($4)
Maxband Vandy, Wisp is doomed - ($2)
Water Elemental and Wisp destroy Tech III, your base to 17
Gargoyle hits Tech II down to 2

Float ($2)
Discard 1, draw 3

Board Info:
In Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader: Galina Glimmer 4/4+1A (1 gold per 2 green units, Mythmaking aura)
  • :psfist: Elite:
  • :ps_: Scavenger:
  • :pschip: Technician: Vandy L5 4/5 (sparkshot, resist 1)
  • :target: Lookout:

In Play:

  • Argagarg L5 1/5
  • Jandra, the Negator 5/2 (overpower, non-demon allied units die on death, Mythmaking aura, 3 damage)
  • Water Elemental 3/3+1A (anti-air)
  • Gargoyle 3/2 (flying)
  • Wisp 2/3 (doomed)
  • :heart: Graveyard HP: 3
  • Mythmaking (my legendaries get +2/+2)

Buildings:

  • :heart: Base HP: 18
  • :heart: Tech I HP: 5
  • :heart: Tech II HP: 5 (Strength)
  • :heart: Tower HP: 4

Economy Info:
Cards:

  • Hand: 3
  • Deck: 0
  • Disc: 8

Gold:

  • Gold: 2
  • Workers: 10
Thoughts

That worked out OK. Time to retaliate? I’m facing 7 health with at least 9 attack if I don’t get Jandra killed in the process. Activate the Gargoyle, and that’s 5 extra attack to take down the Tech III. Deteriorate gets another, and I could also maxband Vandy to doom something. That’s 3 extra damage, not enough. The Deteriorate lets me keep everything alive, though.

Do I maxband Vandy, or play DeGrey? The latter gets the Elemental and Wisp killed, so swapping a 0/1 and a 3/3 for a 6/5. If Wisp and Galina survive, I get extra income and am guaranteed Dark Pact in hand, and Stampede is better if I draw into that. Tough choice, but I think I want a larger hand size here. Ah, but maxbanding Vandy means I need to Doom something, so I lose the Wisp but do 2 damage to the Tech II now. I can live with that. Or I could a worker and do both… No, I’m reshuffling next turn so now’s a good time to stop teching.

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Game 3, Player 2, Turn 7

P1 [Demon]/Strength/Growth vs P2 [Anarchy/Blood]/Finesse

Starting Hand

Pirate Gunship
Gunpoint Taxman
Steam Tank
Disguised Monkey
Discord (techn, eh)

Events of Turn:

Upkeep:

  • Get Gold (10+1float)
  • no techs
All Teched Cards

Discord, Steam Tank
Pirate Gunship x2
Kidnapping, Steam Tank
Disguised Monkey x2
Gunpoint Taxman, Nimble Fencer

Main:

  • Rebuild tech 3
  • Steam Tank (8)
  • Gunpoint Taxman (6)
  • Disguised Monkey (4)
  • River (2)
Workers

Pillage, Makeshift Rambaster, Careless Musketeer, Scorch, Bloodburn

  • :pspurpleshield: Patrol as below
  • Discard 2 Draw 4
  • Tech 2 cards before my next turn

Board Info:

Buildings:

  • :heart: Base HP: 17
  • Tech1 HP: 5
  • Tech2 HP: 2 ANARCHY
  • Tech3 HP: 5

In Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader: Steam Tank (3/6+1armor)
  • :psfist: Elite: River (2+1/3)
  • :pspig: Scavenger: Disguised Monkey (3/3)
  • :exhaust: Technician: Gunpoint Taxman (3/3)
  • :target: Lookout:

In Play:

  • nothin

Economy Info:

Cards:

  • Hand: 4
  • Deck: 5
  • Disc: 3

Gold:

  • Gold: 2
  • Workers: 10
End of Turn Hand

Steam Tank
Pirate Gunship
Mad Man
Disguised Monkey

End of Turn Discard
My Thoughts

Ughhhh lol maybe I needed to tech lab for blood? This is rough…

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Hmm, does Galina income happen before the Wisp dies from Doom?

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I think it’s your choice probably, like how Gargoyle and Doom interact?

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P1T8

StartingHand Workers

STARTING HAND
Sacrifice the Weak
Dark Pact
Gargoyle
Oathkeeper of Kor Mountain
Jefferson DeGrey, Ghostly Diplomat

WORKERS
Skeletal Archery
Poisonblade Rogue
Summon Skeletons
Skeleton Javelineer
Pestering Haunt
Thieving Imp

NextHand

Dark Pact
Stampede
Soul Stone

Discard

Dark Pact
Sacrifice the Weak
Oathkeeper of Kor Mountain

Tech 0 card(s)
Get Paid + float + Galina - ($13)
Wisp dies from doom
Dark Pact, my base to 16, I draw 2
Water Elemental suicides into Steam Tank for 2+1A damage
Galina Glimmer kills Steam Tank, takes 3 damage
Sacrifice the Weak, Galina dies, Gunpoint Taxman dies, you draw - ($11)
Argagarg boosts Jandra
Jandra trades with Disguised Monkey and River, you get a gold, levels fizzle
Activate Gargoyle - ($10)
Gargoyle and Vandy destroy Tech III
Gargoyle #2 - ($7)
Jefferson DeGrey, Ghostly Diplomat - ($4)
Galina Glimmer returns - ($3)

Float ($3)
Discard 1, draw 3

Board Info:
In Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader: Galina Glimmer 4/4+1A (1 gold per 2 green units, Mythmaking aura)
  • :psfist: Elite:
  • :ps_: Scavenger:
  • :pschip: Technician:
  • :target: Lookout: Jefferson DeGrey, Ghostly Diplomat 6/5 (resist 0+1, Mythmaking aura)

In Play:

  • Argagarg L5 1/5
  • Vandy L5 4/5 (sparkshot, resist 1)
  • Gargoyle #1 3/2 (flying)
  • Gargoyle #2 0/2 (indestructible)
  • :heart: Graveyard HP: 3 (Jandra, the Negator)
  • Mythmaking (my legendaries get +2/+2)

Buildings:

  • :heart: Base HP: 16
  • :heart: Tech I HP: 5
  • :heart: Tech II HP: 5 (Strength)
  • :heart: Tower HP: 4

Economy Info:
Cards:

  • Hand: 3
  • Deck: 3
  • Disc: 3

Gold:

  • Gold: 3
  • Workers: 10
Thoughts

16 health to get through, 20 attack on the board including Gargoyle. Best way to go, I think, is boost the Water Elemental so it survives the Steam Tank, than Sacrifice the Weak. That gets me up to the equivalent of 23 attack, 7 more than needed. Can I get more? I think not, sadly. Besides, that doesn’t work because I run into problems with Jandra dying. So maybe I’m best off suiciding the Gargoyle into the Taxman, then Saccing the Water Elemental to kill the Tank. That’s the equivalent of 24 attack, 8 extra damage to hit buildings with. I only need 7, so I could afford to Shadow Blade something and keep my stuff alive.

Gargoyle on Taxman, WE for Tank, Shadow Blade River or Taxman… can’t split the damage up properly like that. How about boost WE to hit Tank down to 3, StW on Taxman, I have Vandy (5/2), Galina (4/4), and Jandra (4/5) to kill River (2/3) and Tank (3/3). I don’t think I can hit Tech II this turn. Nuts.

Oh, or how about I kill the Tank with WE and Galina, then StW Galina and Taxman? Then I have Argagarg boost (1), Jandra (5), Gargoyle (3), Vandy (4), to kill two 3s and hit buildings. Difference would be that I could safely get Jandra killed before I activate Gargoyle. Maybe that’s worth the bother.

FrozenStorm has enough to maxband Zane and bring out Drakk and Kidnapping, in no particular order. I don not want DeGrey to get stolen, even with debuffs he’s got enough to destroy the Graveyard. He doesn’t have enough to take DeGrey if I put him in Lookout, and stealing Galina at 1/1 is pretty pointless, so I think I put Galina in front for 5 total health in case of midband Drakk + Monkey, with DeGrey in Lookout behind. At worst, my patrol dies, I think.

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Jandra would actually be the one to die from StW here, but you could have easily reversed the order and nothing would have changed.

The question I have, though, is whether Jandra dying causes the gargoyle to “die”. It should be “destroyed” (as it is not a demon), and I believe that means its indestructable-ness would prevent that and it must be exhausted (so it couldn’t attack).

The case for Vandy doom triggering the death feels very similar to the Jandra case Rules Questions thread - #408 by Pooh_Bear, and thus I think your attack with the Gargoyle is illegal. Thoughts?

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I realised Jandra would get sacrificed just after I posted, but I agree, “killing” the Gargoyle would exhaust it, and I completely forgot about that. I’ll redo from the Dark Pact.

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OK, hopefully this is legal. I’ll be sad if it isn’t.

P1T8

StartingHand Workers

STARTING HAND
Sacrifice the Weak
Dark Pact
Gargoyle
Oathkeeper of Kor Mountain
Jefferson DeGrey, Ghostly Diplomat

WORKERS
Skeletal Archery
Poisonblade Rogue
Summon Skeletons
Skeleton Javelineer
Pestering Haunt
Thieving Imp

NextHand

Deteriorate
Soul Stone
Ardra’s Boulder

Discard

Dark Pact
Gargoyle
Sacrifice the Weak
Oathkeeper of Kor Mountain

Tech 0 card(s)
Get Paid + float + Galina - ($13)
Wisp dies from doom
Dark Pact, my base to 16, I draw 2
Activate Gargoyle - ($12)
Gargoyle trades with Gunpoint Taxman, you draw
Sacrifice the Weak, Water Elemental dies, Steam Tank dies - ($10)
Galina Glimmer kills River, levels fizzle, takes 3 damage
Jandra kills Disguised Monkey, overpowers to destroy Tech II, your base to 15, you get a gold, Jandra and Galina Glimmer die
Vandy and Argagarg destroy Tech III, your base to 13
Jefferson DeGrey, Ghostly Diplomat - ($7)
Gargoyle #2 - ($4)
Galina Glimmer returns - ($3)

Float ($3)
Discard 1, draw 3

Board Info:
In Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader: Galina Glimmer 4/4+1A (1 gold per 2 green units, Mythmaking aura)
  • :psfist: Elite:
  • :ps_: Scavenger:
  • :pschip: Technician:
  • :target: Lookout: Jefferson DeGrey, Ghostly Diplomat 6/5 (resist 0+1, Mythmaking aura)

In Play:

  • Argagarg L5 1/5
  • Vandy L5 4/5 (sparkshot, resist 1)
  • Gargoyle #2 0/2 (indestructible)
  • :heart: Graveyard HP: 3 (Gargoyle #1, Jandra, the Negator)
  • Mythmaking (my legendaries get +2/+2)

Buildings:

  • :heart: Base HP: 16
  • :heart: Tech I HP: 5
  • :heart: Tech II HP: 5 (Strength)
  • :heart: Tower HP: 4

Economy Info:
Cards:

  • Hand: 3
  • Deck: 3
  • Disc: 4

Gold:

  • Gold: 3
  • Workers: 10
Thoughts

This turn is messy. I’ve got 20 damage on the board against 16 health, so if I want to get through I need to at least make use of Vandy’s sparkshot, and probably use Sacrifice the Weak. I’d like to do it with the following constraints:

  • Use StW on Water Elemental so it doesn’t hit Jandra, ideally to kill the Steam Tank
  • Get Jandra safely killed with no losses from her ability, i.e. Gargoyle dies first because it’ll be exhausted otherwise
  • At least destroy Tech III

So here’s the plan, after seeing my draws from Dark Pact: Trade Gargoyle with Gunpoint Taxman, StW on Water Elemental and Steam Tank. That leaves me Argagarg boost (1), Jandra (5/2 overpower), Vandy (4/5), Galina (4/4), against 2 3/3s, so an excess of 8 but I need to attack with Galina before Jandra. So Galina kills one, Jandra kills the other and destroys Tech II, and my heroes destroy Tech III. Sorted.

Reviving Galina to help patrol, then if the Graveyard stays up I might be in a position to bring Jandra back in with a Soul Stone. Kidnapping and Fencers are what I have to worry about here, kidnapped Galina is a useless 1/1 and deGrey is 3/2, and Zane can’t be co-present with Tech II down. He could take out Galina ready for a deGrey steal, but deGrey can’t do much by himself. Galina in Squad Leader can trade 2-for-1 no matter what, I think. Sticking deGrey in Lookout, just in case.

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Checks out to me, and I drew pretty rough for that double break (I draw kidnapping and suddenly things look different!), so I think it’s time to scoop :slight_smile: GG WP! You read the Monkey play well and I didn’t draw both when I needed to, so Jandra got huge value with Mythmaking there.

I’m up for another, your turn to pick first if you do!

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GG WP! You got some rough draws there, I was really worried about double Monkeys all the way through, and Two Step on the last few turns when you had a board could have hurt too. Not sure what I’d have done differently, outside of drafting some upgrade removal. Maybe Gliders over Monkeys, but that’s not a sure bet against Gargoyles and a Graveyard.

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I agree, I think Blood w/ Gliders would have been a safer bet that I could have transitioned into Tech 3 just as easily

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Aye. Might have been a game for spamming defenders with Harmony and Bugblatters, too.

I’m up for more! Let’s see… how about Green/Strength?