I will say in the chance this tournament ever goes again,100000% the winner should set the new line, and there are lots of spots that show how brutal it is for it to be the other way around like this. It is a massive win-more edge
I was thinking that throughout, that as the loser I rather pick the side I want to play rather than set the line.
I mean, I don’t think in that one set, it would have made too much of a difference in the end. Your big bid on Troq at the start tipped me off that you were happy to play the troq side of the MU, so my bids would have likely been somewhere between troq -5 and troq -10 to keep you in that MU.
Yeah, I was feeling the same after my set with @Cu3ert.
Nah I was happy to play either side. But I do think your experience on Troq is an advantage. So if you were going to be on it, I wanted you to have less life. And I get the feeling if I gave Midori the life disadvantage you’d just switch back.
Also I was speaking more on the perspective on the tourny as a whole. The winner gets to Counter Pick in a sense because they get to choose the character. So if the loser makes too big of a handicap, they get stuck with the handicapped side of the MU. The winner gets to pick what they think the most favorible side of the MU is post handicap which seems backwards in hindsight.
Don’t get me wrong, I’ve loved this tourny format. Lots of thought goes into the process of handicapping. But thinking it might be better to swap who handicaps and who picks characters. Obviously we should continue as we have so far.
Just want to say, I was going to give this perspective post-tourny as I didn’t want it to impact how people feel about playing it, because it’s an awesome concept. Since MB opened the door for discussion I thought it ok to give my perspective. But I don’t want to downplay anyone’s accomplishments in this tourny.
hoenstly its just basic math that its a fact that setting the line is a giant disadvantage, linesetter has to try to make other side neutral on choice, picker picks the side that’s their advantage. By definition the picker will always pick an advantage. The best the setter can ever do is breakeven
Yup, if I’d thought though the cake splittin a bit more, it should have been clear that the side-picker had the advantage, and should go to the loser.
vengefulpickle vs @mastrblastr
(MB sets - 3) - Ven puts the hurt on the dragon
(VP sets - 5) - No acros were had
(MB sets - 5) - Still no acros
(MB sets - 0) - All the acros were not enough
GGS, @mastrblastr. It’s a bit unfortunate that I think this was another set which might have gone the other way if the CP rules had the winner set the line.
NopetheBard v Vengefulpickle
Mysticjuicer and Cpat ran commentary so it’ll be on YouTube tomorrow (or now depending on when you’re reading this)
NopetheBard wins 3-0
The last game had several moments where thought the game was over but it wasn’t. Mostly because of Acrobatics Bullshit.
Overall I had a great time. GGs @vengefulpickle
My mistake! Thanks for catching that
Ivan vs ElZajonco - 3:0
Glad you guys got to play this! I hadn’t seen anything in your thread, so I processed it through as a forfeit for Ivan. Conveniently for me, the actual results worked out.
NopetheBard beats Ivan 3-2
Was caught off guard by the side swap and had trouble adapting. Also early game CMB
Very close. He had CMB threat active most of game
NopetheBard beats Ginorm 3-2!
Big comeback after being nailed by FDB
GGs @Ginorm! And now I go to Grand Finals
Yeah I had the kill if I could get in on Game 4 with a J+ I could tack onto anything. But couldn’t find a way in. Hindsight I should’ve powered up those J’s and try to hit AA as you weren’t going to Block and that would’ve beat almost everything you had. Otherwise though I’m very happy with how this went.
Good luck in Grand Finals!
Actually just thought about this, earlier in the bracket when we first met I took around 60 Damage from special blocks, and I gave out -5 to -10 to the Midori side the entire way and pulled it out.
This time I took 1 Entangling Vines the entire set and set the line at Rook -10 the whole way, and I lost.
Sill can say though everyone is 0 - lots, on hitting me with CMBs.
Caralad vs @Nopethebard
- No penalty
- Troq -5
- Troq -10