Rules Questions thread

[Kneha]

Thanks and nice to meet you.

[zhavier]

And there are many players on here that have been answering these sorts of questions long enough to act as judges and adjudicators, but sharpo and sirlin are the final word.

[Shax]

how does manufactured truth interact with newsman? He temporarily becomes something else after all.

[mysticjuicer]

He isn’t a Newsman while Manufactured Truth is in effect, and reverts to being a Newsman (assuming he survives) after it’s done.

[Shax]

but does his “arrives” effect stay?

[mysticjuicer]

I’m pretty sure, but not positive.

[sharpobject]

He’ll still know what number you named after it expires.

[jelyman]

Hiw does Flagstone Garrison interact with units that have forecast? Thenatically i woukd think you don’t get any draw because the unit never arrives from your hand and is not in play when you oay it’s cost.

[mysticjuicer]

On it’s face, I would say “drill sergeant doesn’t care where the unit goes, just that it is played from your hand, which units with Forecast are.” So, if you play a unit with forecast, Drill Sergeant gets a +1/+1, and then the unit goes to the future as normal.

[zhavier]

Both Drill Sergeant and Flagstone Garrison say “Whenever you play a unit from your hand…” This is a very specific set of circumstances, and does not care whether a unit arrives in play, dies immediately, or goes to another zone, such as forecast. It cares that you paid the cost to play the unit, and that the unit started in your hand. All other conditions or circumstances are irrelevant.

[jelyman]

Thanks i had a feeling it would be that way, though I kinda wish it was different.

[dozenal]

Can a spell or ability without the [target] symbol always be used on an Untargetable unit? For example, can Firehouse use its tap ability against Potent Basilisk?

The rulings spreadsheet says “Something that’s untargetable…can even be affected by some spells and abilities, but NO spells or abilities that use the [target] symbol”

But an article by lettucemode says about Firehouse, “Untargetable things will make you very sad. So will things with Resist, since paying for every use of Firehouse’s ability can get pretty expensive”.

Firehouse’s ability does not use the [target] symbol. Can it be used against Untargetable units? Does it still have to pay against Resist?

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[IsotopeX]

And Skellies, and Ninjas, and Soldiers…

[Shadow_Night_Black]

Spells and or abilties without the target symbol can be used on untargetable things (or resist units without paying more). Firehouse however is targeted, the target symbol is next to the building keyword underneath it’s name. Chaos Mirror and Manufactured Truth are two good examples of spells that are not targeted.

[Shax]

cross posting a question from a game of mine.

@robinz

What happens if I make a mirror and use Quince’s midband to make it a copy of your Justice Juggernaut (yes, mirror Juggernauts are all the range these days, it seems)? I’m supposed to trash the mirror at the end of the turn, but JJ has 2 lives. Does that mean the mirror survives? I guess so. But is it still a copy of Juggernaut, or is it a plain ordinary 0/1 mirror? (From my own reading of the card texts, I think it will stay as a Juggernaut, with a crumbling rune of course, but I’m not certain.)

Oh hang on, I think I remember reading somewhere else that trashing something doesn’t cause it to “die”. So the mirror would still be trashed? Does anyone else with more rules knowledge want to weigh in here?

[EricF]

Trash != destroy. Two lives won’t trigger.

[zhavier]

The only card I know that can prevent the mirror trashing is Gilded Glaxx, and that is because it “can’t leave play.” Everything else can be trashed.

[robinz]

[Details=And another question related to same game, but not for Shax]

If the opponent has a mirror copy made with Quince’s maxband, and my own Quince casts Free Speech, what happens to that mirror? I’m guessing it just stays as it is, because the relevant hero ability was used on a previous turn and was therefore legit (and if anything removing the ability will hinder me because the mirror will no longer get destroyed if Quince or the original leaves play). But could it be argued that the copying effect is some sort of ongoing ability and therefore disabled by FS?

(The latter suggestion is probably just me getting desparate )

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[Shadow_Night_Black]

robinz

Given how Prynn 's abilities work regarding free speech/de-leveling, I would imagine that the mirror would no longer get trashed if Quince/the orignal leaves play (there is nothing to say that should happen any more), but that the mirror is still a copy (things don’t change unless something tell them to change). This is also how removing other cards abilities work (Fairie Dragon / Insurance Agent if their abilities get removed - their runes do nothing)

[dozenal]

How many times can Zane’s max-band ability be used in a single turn? It doesn’t say “once-per-turn” or have a cost. But it seems like it would be broken to allow someone to spam it because Zane could shove the same patroller, dealing 1 damage each time, until he kills them (then repeat for all other patrollers). Can he use it once-per-patroller, once-per-turn, only once (ever) upon levelling to max-band?

Edit: It says “Max Level: Shove a patroller…”, so I think it means that it activates only once at the time when Zane levels up. Is this accurate?