[MMM1] Warm-Up: Blue (Jadiel) vs Purple (HolyTispon)

Brave Knight trades with Plexus, what’s your tech draw?

Hyperion. (adding characters because I must)

P2T6


Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
Liberty Gryphon
Liberty Gryphon


STARTING HAND
Reteller of Truths
Manufactured Truth
Spectral Aven
Macciatus, the Whisperer
Eyes of the Chancellor


WORKERS
Porkhand Magistrate
Jail
Building Inspector
Brave Knight


NextHand

Arrest
Lawful Search
Traffic Director
Spectral Hound


Discard

Manufactured Truth
Spectral Aven
Liberty Gryphon
Liberty Gryphon


Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid - ($8)
Eyes of the Chancelor - ($5)
Brave Knight trades with Plexus
Macciatus, the Whisperer - ($3)
Reteller of Truths - ($1)
Quince moves Mox out of the way
Hound and Mirror destroy Tech II, your base to 18
EotC makes Macciatus Invisible
Worker - ($0)

Float ($0)
Discard 2, draw 4


[B]Board Info:[/B]
[B]In Patrol:[/B]

  • :psblueshield: [I]Squad Leader[/I]: Reputable Newsman (0/3A), naming $1
  • :psfist: [I]Elite[/I]:
  • :ps_: [I]Scavenger[/I]: Reteller of Truths (4/4)
  • :pschip: [I]Technician[/I]:
  • :target: [I]Lookout[/I]:
    [B]In Play:[/B]
  • L3 Quince (1/1)
  • Mirror (1/2)
  • Eyes of the Chancellor
  • Spectral Hound (4/4)
  • Macciatus, the Whisperer (3/3, Invisible)
    [B]Buildings:[/B]
  • :heart: Base HP: 20
  • :heart: Tech I HP: 5
  • :heart: Tech II HP: 5 (Truth)

[B]Economy Info:[/B]
[B]Cards:[/B]

  • Hand: 4
  • Deck: 3
  • Disc: 4
    [B]Gold:[/B]
  • Gold: 0
  • Workers: 9

"P1T7


Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
Assimilate
Temporal Distortion


STARTING HAND
Origin story
Temporal Research
Stewardess of the undone
Undo
Hyperion


WORKERS
Forgotten Fighter
Nullcraft
Plasmodium
Tinkerer
Time Spiral
Now!
Temporal Research


NextHand

Fading Argonaut
Hyperion
Seer
Seer
Undo


Discard

Neo Plexus
Hyperion
Origin story
Undo
Assimilate
Temporal Distortion


Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid + float - ($12)
rebuild tech 2
Prynn - ($10)
Max prynn, remove two runes to fade the Reteller (it doesn’t die because of the Whisperer so it goes off the board) - ($4)
Stewardess, bounces the Newsie - ($1)
Mox kills Quince, levels fizzle
worker - ($0)

Float ($0)
Discard 3, draw 5


[B]Board Info:[/B]
[B]In Patrol:[/B]

  • :psblueshield: [I]Squad Leader[/I]: Stewardess of the undone (3/3)A
  • :psfist: [I]Elite[/I]:
  • :ps_: [I]Scavenger[/I]:
  • :pschip: [I]Technician[/I]: Stewardess of the undone (3/3)
  • :target: [I]Lookout[/I]:
    [B]In Play:[/B]
  • Battle Suits
  • Hardened Mox (2/1)
  • L7 Prynn, 2 runes, 3/5
    [B]Buildings:[/B]
  • :heart: Base HP: 18
  • :heart: Tech I HP: 5
  • :heart: Tech II HP: 5 (Present)

[B]Economy Info:[/B]
[B]Cards:[/B]

  • Hand: 5
  • Deck: 0
  • Disc: 6
    [B]Gold:[/B]
  • Gold: 0
  • Workers: 11
    "

P2T7


Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
Free Speech
Free Speech


STARTING HAND
Lawful Search
Arrest
Traffic Director
Spectral Hound
Spectral Rok


WORKERS
Porkhand Magistrate
Jail
Building Inspector
Brave Knight
Traffic Director


NextHand

Spectral Rok
Free Speech
Bluecoat Musketeer
Reteller of Truths


Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid - ($9)
Worker - ($8)
Hound kills SQL
Oni - ($6)
Oni casts Arrest on TECH Stewardess - ($4)
Mirror and Macciatus deal 4 damage to your base
Spectral Hound #2 - ($3)
Use EotC on Macciatus
Bigby - ($1)

Float ($1)
Discard 2, draw 3, reshuffle, draw 1


[B]Board Info:[/B]
[B]In Patrol:[/B]

  • :psblueshield: [I]Squad Leader[/I]: L1 Oni (2/3A)
  • :psfist: [I]Elite[/I]:
  • :ps_: [I]Scavenger[/I]: L1 Bigby (2/3)
  • :pschip: [I]Technician[/I]: Spectral Hound #2 (4/4)
  • :target: [I]Lookout[/I]:
    [B]In Play:[/B]
  • Macciatus, the Whisperer (3/3, Invisible)
  • Mirror (1/2)
  • Eyes of the Chancellor
  • Spectral Hound (4/1)
    [B]Buildings:[/B]
  • :heart: Base HP: 20
  • :heart: Tech I HP: 5
  • :heart: Tech II HP: 5 (Truth)

[B]Economy Info:[/B]
[B]Cards:[/B]

  • Hand: 4
  • Deck: 8
  • Disc: 0
    [B]Gold:[/B]
  • Gold: 1
  • Workers: 10

Something is off with the spreadsheet’s generated posts. I’m not exactly sure what but it shows in the starting hand cards I don’t have. I’ll try to correct when I can because you can see everything.

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Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
Tricycloid
Rewind


STARTING HAND
Seer
Fading Argonaut
Seer
Hyperion
Undo
Assimilate
Origin story


WORKERS
Forgotten Fighter
Nullcraft
Plasmodium
Tinkerer
Time Spiral
Now!
Temporal Research
Fading Argonaut


NextHand

Undo
Rewind
Hyperion
Neo Plexus
Tricycloid


Discard

Undo
Hyperion
Seer
Origin story
Seer
Assimilate


Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid - ($11)
Geiger - ($9)
Mox deals 1 damage to Oni
Prynn kills Oni, Geiger gains 2 levels and Prynn gains a rune
Hyperion, draw 1 card, trash the Mox - ($4)
Hyperion kills Bigby, Geiger maxes, Hyperion comes again, draw a card
Hyperion kills Hound #2
Prynn casts undo on Hyperion, returning it to hand - ($1)
Worker - ($0)

Float ($0)
Discard 5, draw 5


[B]Board Info:[/B]
[B]In Patrol:[/B]

  • :psblueshield: [I]Squad Leader[/I]: Max Geiger, L5 3/4
  • :psfist: [I]Elite[/I]:
  • :ps_: [I]Scavenger[/I]:
  • :pschip: [I]Technician[/I]:
  • :target: [I]Lookout[/I]:
    [B]In Play:[/B]
  • Battle Suits
  • Stewardess of the undone (3/3) - disabled this turn
  • L7 Prynn, 3 runes, 3/3, from 2 damage (reteller of truth is held off board)
    [B]Buildings:[/B]
  • :heart: Base HP: 14
  • :heart: Tech I HP: 5
  • :heart: Tech II HP: 5 (Present)

[B]Economy Info:[/B]
[B]Cards:[/B]

  • Hand: 5
  • Deck: 2
  • Disc: 6
    [B]Gold:[/B]
  • Gold: 0
  • Workers: 12
    "

I don’t understand your play there at all, I don’t think. Why bounce your own Hyperion? Why not bounce my Hound and use Hyperion to destroy a tech building?

P2T8


StartingHand Workers

STARTING HAND
Spectral Rok
Bluecoat Musketeer
Reteller of Truths
Free Speech


WORKERS
Porkhand Magistrate
Jail
Building Inspector
Brave Knight
Traffic Director


NextHand

Spectral Aven
Reputable Newsman
Manufactured Truth
Liberty Gryphon
Liberty Gryphon


Discard

Spectral Hound
Bluecoat Musketeer
Free Speech
Spectral Rok


Tech 0 card(s)
Get Paid + float - ($11)
Tech III - ($6)
Reteller of Truths #2 - ($4)
Quince & Mirror - ($2)
Use EotC on Spectral Hound
Hound trades with Prynn, Reteller #1 returns, Hound goes to my hand, Quince to L3
Spectral Hound - ($1)

Float ($1)
Discard 3, draw 5


[B]Board Info:[/B]
[B]In Patrol:[/B]

  • :psblueshield: [I]Squad Leader[/I]: Spectral Hound (4/4A)
  • :psfist: [I]Elite[/I]: Mirror #2 (2/2)
  • :ps_: [I]Scavenger[/I]: Mirror #1 (1/2)
  • :pschip: [I]Technician[/I]: Reteller of Truths #2 (4/4)
  • :target: [I]Lookout[/I]: Reteller of Truths #1 (4/4)
    [B]In Play:[/B]
  • Macciatus, the Whisperer (3/3)
  • L3 Quince (1/4)
  • Eyes of the Chancellor
    [B]Buildings:[/B]
  • :heart: Base HP: 20
  • :heart: Tech I HP: 5
  • :heart: Tech II HP: 5 (Truth)
  • :heart: Tech III HP: 5

[B]Economy Info:[/B]
[B]Cards:[/B]

  • Hand: 5
  • Deck: 3
  • Disc: 4
    [B]Gold:[/B]
  • Gold: 1
  • Workers: 10

The only thing I can think of is he is afraid of hyperion mirrors, $10 ($4 for midband quince, $2 for extra mirror, $4 to turn both mirrors into hyperions for a turn) get you 2 Hyperions, but given they only last for 1 turn, the value for them is not as good as it seems (though good if you had nothing else to play/needed damage now).
But the tempo loss of undoing your own hyperion makes it a bad play in my eyes.

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Yes, I hadn’t thought of that. And as I have a Hero kill and a Mirror on the board, it’s only $6…

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Yeah, I was concerned about a mirrored Hyperion. With Quince off the board and given how easy it to give him levels, I thought it wasn’t great to give you two hasted 4/5 units easily. Perhaps that was a mistake, I’m not at all sure but I’ve been paranoid about Quince and Hyperion this whole game so perhaps I overreacted.

Question, when you copy something - does it get the arrive ability? My guess is that it doesn’t.

Also - how does the two reteller ability work? I’m assuming they don’t stack it’s just the first two illusions that die regardless of whether the reteller was on the board?

correct, the arrives ability does not trigger, as it does not enter play (it just changes itself).

Correct they don’t stack, just the first two illusions go to hand.

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Thanks. It’s a hypothetical question - but if there was only one of them, and I kill - a second illusion won’t go back to hand, right? Because the reteller isn’t there anymore. In this case there are two of them, so it doesn’t matter. Unrelated - if there are multiple things that happen simultaneously, I get to choose the order, right? So I’d be able choose which are the first two units and whether there’s a reteller when other units bounce?

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Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
Now!


STARTING HAND
Rewind
Neo Plexus
Tricycloid
Hyperion
Undo
Temporal Distortion


WORKERS
Forgotten Fighter
Nullcraft
Plasmodium
Tinkerer
Time Spiral
Now!
Temporal Research
Fading Argonaut


NextHand

Now!
Stewardess of the undone
Origin story
Tricycloid
Seer


Tech 1 card(s)
Get Paid - ($12)
Hyperion, draw a card - ($7)
Tricycloid - ($2)
remove three runes from Tricycloid, kill the whisperer
Temporal Distortion, returning Trycycloid to hand to get a second Trycycloid - ($0)
Tricycloid removes runes to target two retellers and SQL hound, the retellers to hand and hound dies
Geiger kills the Scav Mirror
Formerly disabled Stewardess kills elite mirror and takes 1 damage
Hyperion kills Quince, takes 1 damage

Float ($0)
Discard 4, draw 1, reshuffle, draw 4


Board Info:
In Patrol:

  • :psblueshield: Squad Leader:
  • :psfist: Elite:
  • :ps_: Scavenger:
  • :pschip: Technician:
  • :target: Lookout: Tricycloid (3/3), no runes
    In Play:
  • Battle Suits
  • Hyperion (5/4 from 1 damage)
  • Max Geiger, L5 3/4
  • Stewardess of the undone (3/2 from 1 damage)
    Buildings:
  • :heart: Base HP: 14
  • :heart: Tech I HP: 5
  • :heart: Tech II HP: 5 (Present)

Economy Info:
Cards:

  • Hand: 5
  • Deck: 8
  • Disc: 0
    Gold:
  • Gold: 0
  • Workers: 12
Thoughts

Should I have broken tech 2 or tech 3 with the Hyperion? really worried about two mirrors Hyperion wreaking havoc, so I killed Quince but maybe I shouldn’t have. I’m also kind of worried about dreamscape, but I don’t know. Liberty Gryphons are the only thing he has with haste and they are so cheap that he can probably bring two of them as well as some other illusions, and kill my Tricycloid

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Correct

Yes, an attacking Xenostalker would be a good way to achieve this.

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Hyperion draws a card when it attacks, not when it arrives. So you need to attack with it before casting Temporal Distortion…

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Oh darn it. I guess my turn is all built on that. Even if i know that my (lucky) draw is Temporal Distortion, i have to attack with Hyperion before I get to target remove the three illusions from the patrol zone, which means my last attack is either stewardess or Geiger, neither of whom can kill Quince or brake a tech. I was debating which to do, but i can’t do either.
I can redo my turn but if you just have two gryphons at hand and you can make one mirrored you can kill my base. Is that the case? If so GG

I do have 2 Gyphons in hand. GG

My turn to go first? FWIW, I thought you were going to win that one - it felt very close from this side of the table, and I think I would have lost if I hadn’t been lucky with my draw that turn. I think the Stewardesses are a key tech in this matchup (as you’ll know if you’ve looked at my first post), especially as P1. Present seemed to work well then also, I’ll have to think about what my best plan to counter that might be…

Sure, you can go first. I’ve been enjoying trying the same position they are quite different and I finally feel like I’m actually getting better.

I did think this is was the best fight I gave you so far, and the closest yet. I felt like I was playing from behind the entire time, and you could afford 5g on tech 3 while I couldn’t but it was fun to put up a good fight. I think I’m learning more about the match-up - I I came to the same conclusion regarding the Stewardess independently. I I agree that Present is potentially good but it doesn’t actually have anti-air and all the blue tech 3 units are flying, and the threat of copying Hyperion is really big and the fact it has 5 health means it’s hard to suicide it! It’s just so cheap for you to get two hasted 4/5 mirrors, especially if you already have Quince or mirrors on the board, as you do. But the Tricycloid is pretty awesome against blue with multiple targeting and I think I could have gone for a tech lab future to get some flying units, or teched assimiliate earlier for that pesky eye.

I still think it’ll take me a little while longer before I pose you an actual challenge, but if you’re having fun - do let’s continue.

Given that you could copy my Hyperion, do you still think that was a bad move? Should I have broken your tech? Breaking the tech wouldn’t have prevented you from copying Hyperion, drawing cards and probably breaking my tech, but you wouldn’t be able to replay more reteller of truth.

I would love to get a Xenostalker to work. I love that card but so far every time I teched it, I lost before I was even able to put it on the table.

I guess the same is true for Octavian? I target 8 units, some of them are illusions and at least one is the Reteller. I can make the reteller be first, he then goes to hand and all the rest die and go to the discard? Asking for a friend.