CAPS 2017: Penatronic ([Present]/Peace/Blood) vs. FrozenStorm ([Demon]/Necro/Finesse)

Penatronic · April 26, 2017, 12:03pm

Shame on the random!

zhavier · April 26, 2017, 12:15pm

I randomize the cards as listed in “next hand” so it’s very slightly more difficult to cheat. My opinion is that “next hand” is the definitive hand for the purpose of discarding, because spectators can verify which card is supposed to be discarded before the next turn is posted. But overall it’s probably a little silly to worry about. Without the randomizer, someone could try to target the card you drew after a reshuffle, for example, but that’s pretty minor on the list of ways to cheat at pbf.

FrozenStorm · April 26, 2017, 12:21pm

Yeah if you just always said #5 of 5 or “the last card in hand”, you’d be targeting fresh cycle cards more often. In person, I imagine some people would try to do this as well, track cards in the opponents hand and pick them out as best they can.

For tournaments I think an admin doing the randomization is about as fair as you could make it, but I also don’t think people really cheat in these tournaments much / at all. As a spectator I certainly haven’t seen anything highly suspect from anyone.

Penatronic · April 26, 2017, 12:44pm

Thanks guys. I think in the past I’ve just looked in my sheet and tossed the card with the correlating #, but this time I ended up seeing both next hand and starting hand and dun got confounded.

Penatronic · April 26, 2017, 3:18pm

"P1T6

Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
Kidnapping
Ready or not

STARTING HAND
Eager Cadet
Eager Cadet
Neo Plexus
Kidnapping
Art of War

WORKERS
Time Spiral
Tinkerer
Plasmodium
Fargonaut (2/3), fading 3

NextHand

Bootcamp
Bootcamp
Temporal Research
Forgotten Fighter

Discard

Kidnapping
Kidnapping
Ready or Not
Eager Cadet
Neo Plexus
Art of War

Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid - ($8)
tech draw
discard #1 rip kidnapping
summon and maxband drakkula - ($1)
frenzy mox kills imp
Eager Cadet, haste and frenzy
cadet kills garth, you draw
nullcraft hits your t2 for 2
Eager cadet #2
no Worker

Float ($1)
Discard 2, draw 4

[B]Board Info:[/B]
[B]In Patrol:[/B]

[I]Squad Leader[/I]: Eager Cadet (3/2A)
[I]Elite[/I]:
[I]Scavenger[/I]:
[I]Technician[/I]: L6 Drakk (3/4)
[I]Lookout[/I]:
[B]In Play:[/B]
Nullcraft (1/1), flying, no debuff
Hardened Mox (3/2), indestructible
Battle Suits (upgrade)
[B]Buildings:[/B]
Base HP: 20
Tech I HP: 5

[B]Economy Info:[/B]
[B]Cards:[/B]

Hand: 4
Deck: 2
Disc: 6
[B]Gold:[/B]
Gold: 1
Workers: 8
"

*note this turn has messed up next hand/discard draw, fixed in next turn per @ericf’s instructions

FrozenStorm · April 26, 2017, 3:50pm

I think your discard draw is still off here, playing 2 cadets from a 3 card hand with no worker is dc 1 draw 3, just confirming that’s good before I proceed?

EricF · April 26, 2017, 3:55pm

Looks like he got confused looking at his previous turn, and thought he had a technician draw coming.

JesusBeard · April 26, 2017, 3:56pm

Probably because he had Drakk in his technician spot at the end of the turn he reverted. I’d guess the program he’s using interpreted that as that unit dying and therefore gave him a technician draw.

FrozenStorm · April 26, 2017, 4:27pm

Also please note, I built a Hero’s hall on turn 4 but neglected to put it in my board summary!

Player 2, Turn 6

P1 [Present]/Peace/Blood vs P2 [Demon]/Necro/Finesse

[details=Starting Hand]
Nether Drain
Summon Skeletons
Metamorphosis
Nether Drain
Blackhand Dozer (techn)
[/details]

##Events of Turn:

###Upkeep:

Get Gold (10)
No techs right now

[details=All Teched Cards]
Metamorphosis, Nimble Fencer
Voidblocker, Nether Drain
Nether Drain, Blackhand Dozer
Dark Pact, Nimble Fencer
[/details]

###Main:

Summon + Max Vandy, doom Nullcraft and Fencer (4)
Fencer kills your cadet
Blackhand Dozer (0)

[details=Workers]
Skeleton Javelineer, Pestering Haunt, Graveyard, Poisonblade Rogue, Jandra, the Negator
[/details]

Patrol as below
Discard 4 Draw 5
Tech 2 cards before my next turn

###Board Info:
####Buildings:

Base HP: 16
Tech1 HP: 5
Tech2 HP: 3 SPEC DEMONOLOGY
Hero’s Hall HP: 4

####In Patrol:

Squad Leader: Blackhand Dozer (7/6+1armor)
Elite:
Scavenger:
Technician: Vandy (4/5 lvl 5)
Lookout:

####In Play:

Nimble Fencer (4/2 doomed)

###Economy Info:

####Cards:

Hand: 5
Deck: 1
Disc: 5

####Gold:

Gold: 0
Workers: 10

[details=End of Turn Hand]
Sacrifice the Weak
Nimble Fencer
Dark Pact
Deteriorate
Voidblocker
[/details]

[details=End of Turn Discard]
Thieving Imp
Summon Skeletons
Nether Drain
Metamorphosis
Nether Drain
[/details]

[details=My Thoughts][spoiler]
Ugh Drakk and cheap minions… He’s hanging on by a thread but that mox is getting so much value! I think I need to just keep weathering the storm and maybe close out with Tech 3… I want to threaten meta and it’s tough for him to get a maxband Vandy kill if I buff the nullcraft, he’d have to have another kidnapping…

What has he teched? He’s got 8 teched cards in that reshuffle and 3 starters (or 4/7 if he workered a tech), I know 5 of them are Cadet x2, Boot Camp, Art of War and Kidnapping, and I’m pretty confident another is Art of War, so that leaves 2 unknown… I guess it’s not impossible that he grabbed another Kidnapping but seems more likely it’s like Crash Bomber and Bloodlust or Elite Training or Garrison or something. War Drums is also possible, though that’s bold if you also grabbed Art of War… But yea, in a 3 card hand only Kidnapping and War Drums would really cost me here. I can’t kill Drakk so there’s really nothing I can do about those either, and Dozer is as good a blocker as I can throw down.

I’m letting the Nullcraft kill my tech 2 with this arrangement but that’s okay, all I really want to do is Metamorph Vandy and get that nullcraft off the board. Ugh though this double nether drain draw is such a drag! StW, Deteriorate, another Fencer, Voidblocker especially, all would have been much better draws!

…

Draw all but the Archery, definitely could be worse.

[/spoiler][/details]

EricF · April 26, 2017, 4:53pm

@Penatronic before you take your turn, don’t forget to fix your draw as follows:

Summary

Put one copy of Art of War from your discard pile, and your 4 cards in hand into your deck, then reshuffle and draw 3 cards.

FrozenStorm · April 26, 2017, 5:37pm

@Penatronic do also note, I smacked your base to 18 on my turn 5!

Penatronic · April 26, 2017, 7:23pm

If by program you mean my stupid face then yes you are correct

Penatronic · April 27, 2017, 1:42am

just checking, but doom doesnt count as a buff?

Penatronic · April 27, 2017, 1:54am

"P1T7

Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
Flagstone Garrison
Flagstone Garrison

STARTING HAND
Temporal Research
Bootcamp
Bootcamp
Forgotten Fighter

WORKERS
Time Spiral
Tinkerer
Plasmodium
Fargonaut (2/3), fading 3

NextHand

Bootcamp
Art of War
Forgotten Fighter
Temporal Research

Discard

Kidnapping
Kidnapping
Ready or Not
Eager Cadet
Neo Plexus
Eager Cadet (3/2A)
Argonaut
Nullcraft (3/3), flying, no debuff
Bootcamp
Art of War
Flagstone Garrison
Flagstone Garrison

Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid + float - ($9)
t2 - ($5)
argonaut, it gets haste from Drakk - ($2)
Nullcraft and hardened mox kill dozer, fencer dies
Champion Argonaut slays Vandy, you draw a card. ugh was delicious card economy you’ve had!
Drakk breaks your T2, your base takes 2 dmg
As it doesnt matter for my draw, I’m preempting the nullcraft’s doom. RIP Red Baron #1 Fighter Ace
no worker

Float ($2)
Discard 2, draw 4

[B]Board Info:[/B]
[B]In Patrol:[/B]

[I]Squad Leader[/I]:
[I]Elite[/I]:
[I]Scavenger[/I]:
[I]Technician[/I]:
[I]Lookout[/I]:
[B]In Play:[/B]
Battle Suits (upgrade)
Hardened Mox (3/2), indestructible
L6 Drakk (3/4)
[B]Buildings:[/B]
Base HP: 18
Tech I HP: 5
Tech II HP: 5 (Peace)

[B]Economy Info:[/B]
[B]Cards:[/B]

Hand: 4
Deck: 0
Disc: 12
[B]Gold:[/B]
Gold: 2
Workers: 8

Thoughts

Well i’ve been super terrified of the Terras Q and discord combo this whole time, didn’t expect the Dozer. It would have been nice to have had a heroes hall up or something to get the Onimaru machine back up and running, but can’t fit it in.

"

Hobusu · April 27, 2017, 2:52am

It doesn’t, because “buff” and “debuff” refer to text by the name of a spell. Forest’s Favor says “Minor Spell – Buff,” Deteriorate says “Spell – Debuff,” but nothing on Vandy’s card says anything about buffs or debuffs.

Penatronic · April 27, 2017, 2:57am

thats what I assumed, keywords are key

Legion · April 27, 2017, 5:23am

yes, is a buff. but nullcraft cannot be buffed by spell. Abilities can. that is why sargent and BA can put runes on him.

FrozenStorm · April 27, 2017, 12:45pm

Oh man, this is a slog its starting to feel like I’m going to lose…

Player 2, Turn 7

P1 [Present]/Peace/Blood vs P2 [Demon]/Necro/Finesse

[details=Starting Hand]
Nether Drain
Summon Skeletons
Metamorphosis
Nether Drain
Blackhand Dozer (techn)
[/details]

##Events of Turn:

###Upkeep:

Get Gold (10)
Elect to tech 2 cards in

[details=All Teched Cards]
Doom Grasp, Voidblocker
Metamorphosis, Nimble Fencer
Voidblocker, Nether Drain
Nether Drain, Blackhand Dozer
Dark Pact, Nimble Fencer
[/details]

###Main:

Nimble Fencer (8)
Summon + Maxband Garth, fetch the recently deceased other Fencer from hand (0)
Fencers suicide into Drakk, my base to 13
Rebuild Tech 2

[details=Workers]
Skeleton Javelineer, Pestering Haunt, Graveyard, Poisonblade Rogue, Jandra, the Negator
[/details]

Patrol as below
Discard 5 rs Draw 5
Tech 2 cards before my next turn

###Board Info:
####Buildings:

Base HP: 13
Tech1 HP: 5
Tech2 HP: 5 SPEC DEMONOLOGY
Hero’s Hall HP: 4

####In Patrol:

Squad Leader: Garth (3/4+1armor lvl 7)
Elite:
Scavenger:
Technician:
Lookout:

####In Play:

nothing

###Economy Info:

####Cards:

Hand: 5
Deck: 10
Disc: 0

####Gold:

Gold: 0
Workers: 10

[details=End of Turn Hand]
Nether Drain
Blackhand Dozer
Metamorphosis
Skeletal Archery
Doom Grasp
[/details]

[details=End of Turn Discard][spoiler]

[/spoiler][/details]

[details=My Thoughts][spoiler]
Dying to have Orpal right now to shut down this damn mox! Having no answer to both upgrades AND indestructibles is making what should otherwise be a massive econ advantage decidedly thin. Lucky for me, he’s going Peace and not Blood, which would I think just be game over for me. Honestly I think going straight base would have been better for him than breaking my tech 2 twice, although he did get the building kills RIGHT as I grab voidblocker TWICE now…

I think Drakk is too much of a source of value to let live another turn, even though I’d really like to play more cards from hand and worker up. I’m teching in Doom Grasp to have more hero answers in the deck than just Nether Drain and Fencers, and Voidblocker to help deal with a Peace horde. It bloats my deck to make this play overall, but honestly maybe that isn’t so bad? I need to have my draws line up better, so a fatter cycle increases my chances to have Meta on a turn I can actually play it!

…

AAAAAAUGGGGGHHHHH how do I draw Meta TWICE off playable! Without it I don’t have much in the way of win conditions, so I guess I’m just REALLY GOING TO HOPE that I can mess him up with Dozer and not get it Kidnapped…

[/spoiler][/details]

Penatronic · April 27, 2017, 3:58pm

Ever since you nixed my onimaru I’ve been waiting for the other foot to drop…

"P1T8

Tech StartingHand Workers

TECH
War drums
War drums

STARTING HAND
Temporal Research
Bootcamp
Art of War
Forgotten Fighter
Eager Cadet

WORKERS
Time Spiral
Tinkerer
Plasmodium
Fargonaut (2/3), fading 3
Forgotten Fighter

NextHand

Kidnapping
Eager Cadet (3/2A)
Kidnapping
War drums

Discard

Bootcamp
Art of War
Temporal Research

Tech 2 card(s)
Get Paid + float - ($10)
worker - ($9)
summon onimaru - ($7)
mox hits Garth for 2 damage after armor
onimaru bootcamps mox - ($6)
Eager Cadet
summon max - ($4)
build tower - ($1)

Float ($1)
Discard 2, draw 4

[B]Board Info:[/B]
[B]In Patrol:[/B]

[I]Squad Leader[/I]: Eager Cadet (3/2A)
[I]Elite[/I]:
[I]Scavenger[/I]:
[I]Technician[/I]: L1 Geiger (2/3), sparkshot
[I]Lookout[/I]:
[B]In Play:[/B]
Battle Suits (upgrade)
Hardened Mox (4/3), indestructible
L1 Onimaru (2/3), frenzy
[B]Buildings:[/B]
Base HP: 18
Tech I HP: 5
Tech II HP: 5 (Peace)
Tower HP: 4

[B]Economy Info:[/B]
[B]Cards:[/B]

Hand: 4
Deck: 9
Disc: 3
[B]Gold:[/B]
Gold: 1
Workers: 9

Thoughts

considered maxbanding onimaru but seemed like a bad idea with Garth on the table.

"

FrozenStorm · April 27, 2017, 4:25pm

Yea I don’t like the look of things here…

Player 2, Turn 8

P1 [Present]/Peace/Blood vs P2 [Demon]/Necro/Finesse

[details=Starting Hand]
Nether Drain
Blackhand Dozer
Metamorphosis
Skeletal Archery
Doom Grasp
Dark Pact (skeleton)
Nimble Fencer
Summon Skeletons
[/details]

##Events of Turn:

###Upkeep:

Get Gold (10)
No techs

[details=All Teched Cards]
Doom Grasp, Voidblocker
Metamorphosis, Nimble Fencer
Voidblocker, Nether Drain
Nether Drain, Blackhand Dozer
Dark Pact, Nimble Fencer
[/details]

###Main:

Skeleton, sacrifice it to draw (9)
Vandy (7)
Dark pact, draw 2 base to 11 (gulp, these draws though…)
Blackhand Dozer (3)
Nimble Fencer (1)
Nether Drain Garth down to level 5 and Vandy up to lvl 3 (0)

[details=Workers]
Skeleton Javelineer, Pestering Haunt, Graveyard, Poisonblade Rogue, Jandra, the Negator
[/details]

Patrol as below
Discard 4 Draw 5
Tech 2 cards before my next turn

###Board Info:
####Buildings:

Base HP: 11
Tech1 HP: 5
Tech2 HP: 5 SPEC DEMONOLOGY
Hero’s Hall HP: 4

####In Patrol:

Squad Leader: Nimble Fencer (2/3+1armor)
Elite:
Scavenger: Blackhand Dozer (7/6)
Technician:
Lookout:

####In Play:

Garth (2/2 from 2 damage lvl 5)
Vandy (3/4 lvl 3)

###Economy Info:

####Cards:

Hand: 5
Deck: 2
Disc: 6

####Gold:

Gold: 0
Workers: 10

[details=End of Turn Hand]
Sacrifice the Weak
Nether Drain
Nimble Fencer
Voidblocker
Thieving Imp
[/details]

[details=End of Turn Discard][spoiler]

[/spoiler][/details]

[details=My Thoughts][spoiler]
I CANT DRAW TO SAVE MY LIFE, WHERE ARE MY FUCKING VOIDBLOCKERS AGGHHH

This is comically bad at this point, but I think I made the best of the situation. Big kudos for him making the tempo plays that lined up my draws. I’ll have to choose between Tech 3 or Meta as a final endgame plan next turn, it’s probably too late for both but hey all I can do is the best with the cards I draw right?

Do really wish I’d have the Doom Grasp around for next turn though…

…

AAAAAAUGGGGGHHHHH I STILL CANT DRAW BOTH VOIDBLOCKERS AWGHGHHH

…

(Editing for more thoughts, as I wait to see what he does)
I just realized that Dark Pact-ing myself and having Dozer as only one of 2 patrollers means Kidnapping for him just ends the game, he’d just have to suicide one of his heroes into Dozer then bring drakk out to snatch it… I really needed those Voidblockers to line up a little differently. I don’t know what else I should have done, I think I made pretty good choices, I just didn’t have much to answer Mox + Suits + Cadets. Well, it’s not over yet, let’s hope that giant cycle he drew into buried his kidnappings!